"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Theses are pretty good guesses. And If he's smart enough I bet he's even going to ask Porunga to gather them for him. He can also use another wish to learn the language of the gods.

But the problem is, the Super Dragon Ball were used just a month or so ago during the ToP so he'll have to wait about a year. Can he ask Porunga to send him to the future ? Will he pull a Zamasu and go after Shin for a Potara and a time ring? Or will he go to universe 12 for their time machine?

Porunga can't gather the Super Dragon Balls even if they were active since they tried something like that in the Super anime with Shenron. It was impossible since the universe is big and that's not even getting into the Dragon Balls that would be in U6. Also, speaking only the language of the gods isn't wide known information since Gowasu didn't even know that part about the Super Dragon Balls.

Intreastingly he may not need to use a wish. He’s a magician, he may now spells that could allow him to get them. He’s also likely a master of a lot of arcane knowledge and law. He may know the language of the gods already, ether if it is written down in the mortal universe or since he was a threat to the Kaioshin, maybe he was able to travel to the afterlife and steal the knowledge in the passed.

Just spitballing of cause.

Possibly, but so far only gods and angels know the language of the gods and Moro isn't a god as Goku spelled out. Really, he comes off as a smarter Babidi.

[AnimeNation101]

I haven’t been this invested in a DBS story since the Future Trunks arc. All the more reason this should be adapted into the anime.

[Shaddy]

One of the best things about the Cell arc is that they're constantly just missing him instead only witnessing the results of his abilities, so I'm a little disappointed that we're just getting another "feeds on life energy" dude. I was really happy last chapter with the action setpiece that wasn't just a regular fight and the general mysterious tone, but now we've just completely established "it's gonna be Goku and Vegeta vs. this guy" right in front of it all. I sympathize with people saying "it feels rushed", because the pace really is all over the place with Toyotaro.

Moro so far doesn't have any particular personality quirks to make him stand out. He's evil, he's a wizard, he kills planets. The reason behind this is the only mystery as far as I'm concerned, because I kind of doubt his magic is going to lead to anything other than "now Goku has to try". Just because they say his ki is scary and not actually that strong doesn't convince me this won't turn into any other DB fight.

Also, I hate that new Namek looks exactly like old Namek. It's supposed to be a different planet, but the mountains and trees and three suns are all exactly the same. One has to wonder if they really did mean to just create an entirely new planet instead of settling on an existing one. Toriyama's drawings of it in the Cell saga were pretty similar to the original, but the flora was at least a little different, and there wasn't blue grass everywhere.

[prince212]

The final battle maybe end up being Buu vs Moro. Wild theory but what if Goku lets Buu absorb him to fight Moro. So Majin Buu (Goku absorbed) vs Full Power Moro (who i think also has some sort of transformation).

That’s my bet , too

[Steven Bloodriver]

Spoiler:

How the hell did Raspberry survive? Are there any other villainous characters from Dragon Ball Z alive besides him too in this chapter? But to be honest like many times before, Akira Toriyama and Toyotarō just love Trolling the hell out of us don't they or rather when haven't they ever since Dragon Ball Super began?

[TKA]

This is all really uninteresting. All that happened in this chapter was them going to Namek and getting into a scuffle with the bad guy that won't amount to anything.

Maybe next month will be better.

[Marlowe89]

Too rushed

This seems to be a common complaint among people who don't really understand what good pacing is.

If you're not progressing from plot point to plot point or moving to scenes that establish something important about your characters, you're not telling an appropriately structured story. That's why the manga's Future Trunks and Universe Survival arcs were better adaptations of Toriyama's scripts; they didn't waste so much time on bloated, superfluous bullshit. Not once did they make me think "holy fucking moly, let's get this over with already" since they were clearly more interested in the narrative rather than the literal truckloads of pointless fluff you'd typically find only in Toei's version of Super. They also had the advantage of not being handled by multiple writers with different priorities.

That's why I dislike these comments about how Toyotaro was "finally improving his pacing!" or "finally letting the story breathe!" (which seems to be code for "I want filler") etcetera for the previous chapter, as if it was remotely bad to begin with, opting to instead praise a pointless setpiece because it looked pretty. Total hogwash. All that tells me is that the sheer frequency of padding throughout Dragon Ball's animated history has conditioned this fanbase so much that they think it's ever acceptable under any circumstance.

Well, it's not acceptable. It will never be acceptable. Padding inherently sucks.

[Zamasu55]

I'm surprised you find this rushed since I think it was very slow paced.

I mean, they're already fighting against the main villain. That's rushed to me.

They fought Black by the third episode of the Black arc, they fought the Androids pretty much immediately after they were born, Raditz was fought immediately, etc. That doesn't mean it's rushed when it's clearly just a showcase of what the villain can do before the heroes are forced to retreat

Yeah, but Black, the androids and Raditz were not the main villains of the arc.

[Kanassa]

Goku: I've never felt ki like this before
Cell: Oh... This is what it feels like to be Vegeta.

[AnimeNation101]

Too rushed

This seems to be a common complaint among people who don't really understand what good pacing is.

If you're not progressing from plot point to plot point or moving to scenes that establish something important about your characters, you're not telling an appropriately structured story. That's why the manga's Future Trunks and Universe Survival arcs were better adaptations of Toriyama's scripts; they didn't waste so much time on bloated, superfluous bullshit. Not once did they make me think "holy fucking moly, let's get this over with already" since they were clearly more interested in the narrative rather than the literal truckloads of pointless fluff you'd typically find only in Toei's version of Super. They also had the advantage of not being handled by multiple writers with different priorities.

That's why I dislike these comments about how Toyotaro was "finally improving his pacing!" or "finally letting the story breathe!" (which seems to be code for "I want filler") etcetera for the previous chapter, as if it was remotely bad to begin with, opting to instead praise a pointless setpiece because it looked pretty. Total hogwash. All that tells me is that the sheer frequency of padding throughout Dragon Ball's animated history has conditioned this fanbase so much that they think it's ever acceptable under any circumstance.

Well, it's not acceptable. It will never be acceptable. Padding inherently sucks.

People calling the universe survival arc rushed makes some sense.

Think about it. Kale took out 4 universes in one chapter. In an arc thats supposed to be a battle royale between all 8 universes, Kale takes half the universes out. Thats just poor execution that counters the main event of this arc and therefore comes off as rushing as opposed to the universes just being eliminated in a more steady pace.

As for the FT arc, the manga and anime were equal imo.

[Doctor.]

Good chapter. Not a big fan of the action, but I really liked the world building. The use of the Freeza soldier as a kickstart to the plot felt a bit forced, but it was neat all the same; I like that the arc is attempting to tie in the Gods, the Galactic Patrol and the Freeza army all in some shape or form. Hopefully Beerus gets to play a part in this, though I doubt it.

Minor nitpick: doesn't make sense for the Namekians to be praying to Gods, or the Dragon Balls. They know where the Dragon Balls come from and how they're created, and they should know that being a God is a job anyone can take. Moori (pretty sure that was him) should be the new Grand Elder and responsible for creating and destroying the DBs at this point, right?

[Kinokima]

I expect Vegeta is in trouble next chapter. I can see Goku saving him but I don’t know if Goku will fight Moro next chapter. I have a feeling it will be more about retreat. One month to see if the build up of these magical powers are worth it.

[Marlowe89]

Think about it. Kale took out 4 universes in one chapter. In an arc thats supposed to be a battle royale between all 8 universes, Kale takes half the universes out.

I believe these two posts adequately summarize how I feel about the situation with Kale in the manga. In particular, I recommend going through Zephyr's post for a more thorough breakdown for what that scene was trying to accomplish.

My opinion hasn't changed at all since then, and I think the problem mainly boils down to people coming off the back of the anime's version while trying to hold that chapter to its standards instead of evaluating how Kale was built up narratively since the recruitment period.

[AnimeNation101]

Think about it. Kale took out 4 universes in one chapter. In an arc thats supposed to be a battle royale between all 8 universes, Kale takes half the universes out.

I believe these two posts adequately summarize how I feel about the situation with Kale in the manga. In particular, I recommend going through Zephyr's post for a more thorough breakdown for what that scene was trying to accomplish.

My opinion hasn't changed at all since then, and I think the problem mainly boils down to people coming off the back of the anime's version while trying to hold that chapter to its standards instead of evaluating how Kale was built up narratively since the recruitment period.

If you’re saying Kale was built up to rampage in the Tournament, it was the same case in the anime. Yet anime Kale didn’t eliminate 4 universes in one or 2 episodes.

[OLKv3]

I mean, they're already fighting against the main villain. That's rushed to me.

They fought Black by the third episode of the Black arc, they fought the Androids pretty much immediately after they were born, Raditz was fought immediately, etc. That doesn't mean it's rushed when it's clearly just a showcase of what the villain can do before the heroes are forced to retreat

Yeah, but Black, the androids and Raditz were not the main villains of the arc.

Black was the main villain of the arc. 17 and 18 were also the main villains at the time

[HeroR]

I mean, they're already fighting against the main villain. That's rushed to me.

They fought Black by the third episode of the Black arc, they fought the Androids pretty much immediately after they were born, Raditz was fought immediately, etc. That doesn't mean it's rushed when it's clearly just a showcase of what the villain can do before the heroes are forced to retreat

Yeah, but Black, the androids and Raditz were not the main villains of the arc.

Black was the main villain. He just wasn’t the final boss.

[HeroR]

They fought Black by the third episode of the Black arc, they fought the Androids pretty much immediately after they were born, Raditz was fought immediately, etc. That doesn't mean it's rushed when it's clearly just a showcase of what the villain can do before the heroes are forced to retreat

Yeah, but Black, the androids and Raditz were not the main villains of the arc.

Black was the main villain of the arc. 17 and 18 were also the main villains at the time

17 and 18 were more decoy villains, similar to 19 and 20.

[AnimeNation101]

Yeah, but Black, the androids and Raditz were not the main villains of the arc.

Black was the main villain of the arc. 17 and 18 were also the main villains at the time

17 and 18 were more decoy villains, similar to 19 and 20.

Eh. Depends on how you see it. Like how some people see Raditz as a seperate arc before the Vegeta and Nappa event. Or they see the Android arc as the arc with 18 and 17, and Cell coming in was the start of the Cell arc.

But, i guess official they were decoy villains.

[AnimeNation101]

I’m willing to bet money that Moro knew of Bibidi and/or Majin Buu.

[HeroR]

Black was the main villain of the arc. 17 and 18 were also the main villains at the time

17 and 18 were more decoy villains, similar to 19 and 20.

Eh. Depends on how you see it. Like how some people see Raditz as a seperate arc before the Vegeta and Nappa event. Or they see the Android arc as the arc with 18 and 17, and Cell coming in was the start of the Cell arc.

But, i guess official they were decoy villains.

It’s officially all one saga. The same with the Saiyans. Raditz would be a wake up call boss.