I think 13 episodes could be long enough for an arc considering how many anime series today manage to build up to climaxes under that time. It'd be hard to recreate the experience of the Cell or Buu Sagas with that amount of episodes, with their constant villains changes, which would seem extremely rushed with less episodes, but something like the Saiyan Saga is perfectly doable. Even Freeza's could be done too, although shortening the battles there too much could hurt their impact.Basaku wrote:A build-up and end-game stakes need time to develop. Kai/Manga show us the good formula for a sprawling DB arc that feels grand without too much filler - around 50 episodes. Basically 1 year of 52-ep season production from Toei. Of course it has to be done well and keep the viewers engaged. But 13/26 would be too short to stand next to 3 main DBZ arcs
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I don't really want arcs that can stand next to the original DBZ series. Despite the problems with the series, I think Kai would be a better comparison for length/pacing. Kai's Saiyan Arc was 16 episodes and the Freeza Arc was 38 (with arguable amounts of filler kept because of how it was originally animated). I don't think I'd mind current arcs with better pacing that were around 25 episodes long, with the 26th serving as an epilogue/segway into the next arc. Especially if the 100 episode minimum thing turns out to be real. That'd be way too long for a single arc without having to worry about catching up to the source material IMO.
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Not sure if someone has posted this before, but I would like to see something like this. It's a fan-art of the 12 gods of destruction, apparently based on the Chinese Zodiac:
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I've already seen this. And apart from Beerus and the green-winged demonish guy, none of these designs fit in with the style of Dragon Ball.sanorin wrote:Not sure if someone has posted this before, but I would like to see something like this. It's a fan-art of the 12 gods of destruction, apparently based on the Chinese Zodiac:
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Both an OP and an ED. One Piece has an extended opening at the expense of having no ED, and I'm not that fond of that track. It makes the OP feel like it takes forever.
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Re: What do you hope to see in Dragon Ball Super?
For what I'd love to see (Yes, not like; LOVE):
-The humans becoming useful/relevant again, such as Yamcha, Krillin, Tien, and Chaotzu.
-TIENCHA!! Make it happen Toriyama!
-More explanations on the Super Saiyan legend. I.e. who was the original Super Saiyan from 1,000 years ago Vegeta went on about in the Frieza Saga.
-Female Super Saiyans, like Bulla and Pan. Or at the least, make the female characters fight more.
-Adult Gotenks if possible.
-More shenanigans with Goten and Trunks. Those were hilarious in Z.
-Limitations on people being brought back wih the Dragon Balls. Honestly, because death seems like nothing in the series anymore.
-The repairing on Piccolo and Gohan's characters after the Buu Saga.
-More romance between Trunks and Mai.
And that's all I've got.
-The humans becoming useful/relevant again, such as Yamcha, Krillin, Tien, and Chaotzu.
-TIENCHA!! Make it happen Toriyama!
-More explanations on the Super Saiyan legend. I.e. who was the original Super Saiyan from 1,000 years ago Vegeta went on about in the Frieza Saga.
-Female Super Saiyans, like Bulla and Pan. Or at the least, make the female characters fight more.
-Adult Gotenks if possible.
-More shenanigans with Goten and Trunks. Those were hilarious in Z.
-Limitations on people being brought back wih the Dragon Balls. Honestly, because death seems like nothing in the series anymore.
-The repairing on Piccolo and Gohan's characters after the Buu Saga.
-More romance between Trunks and Mai.
And that's all I've got.
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I really would like to see some type of conflict between the Galactic Patrol and Time Patrol given that the Galactic Patrol deems time travel illegal.
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Speaking of I hope we get new OPs and EDs relatively frequently.Chuquita wrote:Both an OP and an ED. One Piece has an extended opening at the expense of having no ED, and I'm not that fond of that track. It makes the OP feel like it takes forever.
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Saiyan arc is just a prelude to Frieza though. And 13 eps is readlly not enough, Sailor Moon Crystal is doing exactly that right now and everything feels incredibly rushed.Neon Z wrote: I think 13 episodes could be long enough for an arc considering how many anime series today manage to build up to climaxes under that time. It'd be hard to recreate the experience of the Cell or Buu Sagas with that amount of episodes, with their constant villains changes, which would seem extremely rushed with less episodes, but something like the Saiyan Saga is perfectly doable. Even Freeza's could be done too, although shortening the battles there too much could hurt their impact.
That's what I said. Around 50 eps per arc as Kai has (since I consider Saiyan/Frieza to be 1 big arc; followed by big Androids/Cell arc and finally Buu)TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I don't really want arcs that can stand next to the original DBZ series. Despite the problems with the series, I think Kai would be a better comparison for length/pacing.
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Re: What do you hope to see in Dragon Ball Super?
What I hope to see:
- Adventures after the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai
- Uub and Pan as main characters with Goku taking on a semi-active mentor role
- Good fights for most sidelined characters
- Villains from across the 12 universes who have unique capabilities instead of brute strength
- Adventures after Resurrection F
- Goku and Vegeta as main characters with Beerus and/or Whis taking on a semi-active mentor role
- Good fights for some sidelined characters against henchmen
- Villains from across the 12 universes who can punch people really really hard
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Re: What do you hope to see in Dragon Ball Super?
Sailor Moon Crystal follows the manga very closely with one chapter per episode, and it just happens that the manga arcs were about 13 chapters long. So if you feel it's rushed, that's an issue with the original manga and not really representative of 13 episode stories in general. It's on the creative staff to pace things well. The original Tenchi OVAs and the first season of Big O both told a good story over 13 episodes. I'm sure there's plenty of others, but I don't really watch much anime, and all the other examples I can think of are hour long shows.Basaku wrote:Saiyan arc is just a prelude to Freeza though. And 13 eps is readlly not enough, Sailor Moon Crystal is doing exactly that right now and everything feels incredibly rushed.
Actually, you can almost break up all of the first DB anime into a bunch of 13 episode arcs, and that's with their filler included. You could almost say the same for GT. And I think a lot of people would disagree with you about the Saiyan arc being merely a prelude.
If we subtract commercials and credits, 13 episodes is about 4 hours of story content. None of the DB/Z movies are even half that length, yet I'm sure everyone here enjoys the story in at least one of them.
I'm rambling a lot more than I expected after just wanting to nitpick a Sailor Moon thing. But I do think it's possible to accomplish a lot in 13 episodes with good writing and pacing. I don't know if that's actually what I'd want though. I just hope they plan out their stories well, whether it's multiple short ones or one lengthy one.
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Not quite, since a graphic novel format (and written text in general) has always been more suited for rapid pace thanks to the reader's partial 'control' of it. There's no such thing in animation format, the viewer is completly passive in reception of the pace. It's why direct adaptation still have to be done smarlty and good storytellers should know where to expand, where to skip over or where completly new material is needed to tell the story in animation format properly. Same goes for live action adaptations.TripleRach wrote: So if you feel it's rushed, that's an issue with the original manga and not really representative of 13 episode stories in general.
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A balance between DB and DBZ.
I want to see more of the human characters and not just the Sayians.
A little romance with Gohan and Videl, Goku and ChiChi.
New villains.
I want to see more of the human characters and not just the Sayians.
A little romance with Gohan and Videl, Goku and ChiChi.
New villains.
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I'd like that too, but I doubt we'll get very much of it. Toriyama really doesn't like to work on romantic developments too much, which, I guess is sort of self-evident just from watching the show.ChiChiFan wrote:A little romance with Gohan and Videl, Goku and ChiChi.
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If this takes places before EoZ, I'm kind of hoping that this series does exactly what people don't want it to do: scrap several characters. The emphasis should be on Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, Whis, and new characters from different universes. Maybe Goten and Trunks too. Aside from them and supporting characters (e.g. Bulma), I don't want to see the others too much. They all should make appearances, but not really be major aspects to the story itself. And before anyone mentions Gohan, he is washed up and I don't want them destroying his character even more than they already have.
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If your idea of a character who is "washed up" is a character who marries his high school sweetheart, has a loving family, several loyal and super powerful allies and friends, is incredibly intelligent, has a very well paying job, earn a scholarship and even after not training for more than a decade still remains one of the strongest characters in the universe, then yeah, I guess Gohan is "washed up".fadeddreams5 wrote:And before anyone mentions Gohan, he is washed up and I don't want them destroying his character even more than they already have.
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If the events of DBO actually are carried into Super, then Gohan is the total opposite of washed up. Hell; he changes the Dragonball world forever with his book, which is by far the single most impressive thing that can be possibly done at this point.
Which incidentally is something I'd like to see carried over.
Forget passing the torch to Uub, forget passing it to Gohan or Pan; this passes the torch to the people of Earth and allows them to begin to protect themselves from future alien threats.
More of a finale/epilogue to Super than an actual event to happen in the course of the show though.
Which incidentally is something I'd like to see carried over.
Forget passing the torch to Uub, forget passing it to Gohan or Pan; this passes the torch to the people of Earth and allows them to begin to protect themselves from future alien threats.
More of a finale/epilogue to Super than an actual event to happen in the course of the show though.
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All of that stuff is irrelevant in a show about fighting. He's washed up as a fighter, lost his mystic abilities, rage boosts are no longer exclusive to him, he refuses to train, didn't even take advantage of a God ritual to protect this family he loves so much, and his modern character designs are so lame. Garbage character.Lord Beerus wrote:If your idea of a character who is "washed up" is a character who marries his high school sweetheart, has a loving family, several loyal and super powerful allies and friends, is incredibly intelligent, has a very well paying job, earn a scholarship and even after not training for more than a decade still remains one of the strongest characters in the universe, then yeah, I guess Gohan is "washed up".fadeddreams5 wrote:And before anyone mentions Gohan, he is washed up and I don't want them destroying his character even more than they already have.

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Re: What do you hope to see in Dragon Ball Super?
I'd absolutely love an epilogue to Super based on DBO. Show us a world full of people inspired by all the heroes of Dragon Ball, ready to face whatever comes their way. It would be a very good ending, in my opinion - let their legacy live on through the people of Earth.Akyon wrote:If the events of DBO actually are carried into Super, then Gohan is the total opposite of washed up. Hell; he changes the Dragonball world forever with his book, which is by far the single most impressive thing that can be possibly done at this point.
Which incidentally is something I'd like to see carried over.
Forget passing the torch to Uub, forget passing it to Gohan or Pan; this passes the torch to the people of Earth and allows them to begin to protect themselves from future alien threats.
More of a finale/epilogue to Super than an actual event to happen in the course of the show though.
Don't be too alarmed if I just don't show up for a few months. Hooray for fleeting interests!
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Re: What do you hope to see in Dragon Ball Super?
For some reason I don't really like it when everyone becomes 'gifted'
I remember when in the second season of Digimon, suddenly every kid was special and got a Digimon, instead of just the main characters and I hated it
And Gohan's character was ruined when they made him slack off and lose power again in these new movies, when in the Buu arc, one arc before these movies, he was constantly lamenting the fact that he "let himself slide" and get so much weaker in the first place, and felt guilty that he couldn't save Krillin and Piccolo because of it.
He truly regretted slacking off in the Buu arc..only for him to slack off even more in the new movies..
Biggest character derailment ever tbh

I remember when in the second season of Digimon, suddenly every kid was special and got a Digimon, instead of just the main characters and I hated it

And Gohan's character was ruined when they made him slack off and lose power again in these new movies, when in the Buu arc, one arc before these movies, he was constantly lamenting the fact that he "let himself slide" and get so much weaker in the first place, and felt guilty that he couldn't save Krillin and Piccolo because of it.
He truly regretted slacking off in the Buu arc..only for him to slack off even more in the new movies..
