"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

Kuririn suggest playing shiritori: Whis goes with "jirujiru". Goku asks what that is and Whis says its a bird on his planet.

I'm not seeing a lot of talk about this bit, but i find it very interesting. I doubt Toyotaro would be allowed to come up with something related to Whis' origins on his own. And the way it's brought up here feels almost ...gratuitous? It's like they wanna hint at something, or just tease the readers. Maybe we'll actually learn more about Whis in the near future.

I mentioned it a few posts back. It seems they're playing the long game with Whis background, very uncharacteristic of Dragon Ball. They hid he was stronger than Beerus. After displaying the time reversal, when asked what he was the mysterious answer was, "A life form called Whis".
I remember the theories when BoG was about to come out. How Whis was actually a villain. Just throwing it out there, I still think it's really far-fetched.

It really feels like this was in the head of Mr.Toriyama, ever since 2013. Not everything, just the main ideas.

[Hellspawn28]

So how can Goku and Vegeta train in the Room of Spirit and Time if Goku already been in there twice? Didn't they say that people only people that enter the room more then twice can not enter? Piccolo also destroyed the ROSAT entrance, leaving no way out. So how is it back to normal?

[apex_pretador]

who thinks piccolo will get a power up( namkian god )

Is namekian god a power up?
Dende, guru & moori are all namekian gods.

When Beerus said the 5th would be the strongest he fought, I was rooting for a demon like Dabura/Mira. Monaca looks like one. It will be interesting to see if he tranforms.

Dabura was a wasted character with super-awesome great design.

[Ssgvegito30]

I agree with you but what if after u6 arc they brink back Dabura as a good guy as an ally to the z fighters that be awesome a man can dream lol

[sailorspazz]

what's the pun in Monaca?

It was mentioned a few pages back that Herms tweeted about it probably being monaka, a Japanese dessert. Since he was said to be from the planet Wagashi, I'd say it's pretty straightforward naming scheme (not the weird stuff I was coming up with earlier when trying to mix up the syllables).

Since it's a Japanese word, I'd say the better romanization would be Monaka, rather than Monaca. I assume that 'c' is somehow based on how it was rendered in the Korean scanlation. Hope to see the Japanese script soon so we can verify that everything we're discussing is correct (because, man, that Korean version comes out so quickly every month, I feel there's bound to be some mistakes if they're rushing to get it out first. Unless they have someone on the "inside" and can obtain a copy well in advance of the release date).

[Khin]

So i guess the first page of the chapter tells us who's gonna fight who ?

Goku vs. Purple Paikuhan + Cell + Cooler looking guy
Vegeta vs. Probably the Saiyan prince from Universe 6,although i think thats a female
Piccolo vs. Freeza race guy
Majin Buu vs. Obese Winnie the Pooh
Monaca vs. That Robot

[sintzu]

You said Toriyama didn't put effort in creating Blue but if you break the transformation down, it makes perfect sense why it looks that way.

It alongside Yellow and Red are the colors of fire, fair enough.

But that doesn't mean everything else should be simple and repetitive.

In the manga, The Saiyans' forms were simple but they were balanced out with the villains' forms which were completely different from one another and the same goes for their designs, Cell,Buu&Freeza look nothing alike but Beerus&Champa ? Imagine if Cell&Buu were different variations of Freeza ? yeah it would've be simple but that doesn't mean it would've been good.

Another example is the ginyu force and the androids, each one has a unique design and the members all feel like they're from the same team but then you have the Universe 6 worriers...One's a mini Gohan/Tarble with a bad attitude, one's a Blue 1st form Freeza , the other one looks like a Purple Piccolo or Cooler& the last 2 are just bland.

Then you have them as a team...they don't look bad but something feels off and the same goes for Monaca, he just doesn't look right being alongside Goku,Vegeta,Buu&Piccolo.

In terms of the story, both BOG & RF are good especially RF thanks to the changes that were made in Super so I don't think the U6 story will be bad or even average, I think it'll be really good but the designs could've been much better but thankfully they're not evil Goku and female Vegeta.

[Battousai]

So, if Goku and Vegeta were training in Kami's palace, Buu and Piccolo were training with Whis ? Seems plausible.

Another thing: When Vegeta and Piccolo realized the presence of their foes, it's likely that at least one of their opponents has god ki, right ? Since only gods fighters can sense god ki, I guess Piccolo reached a godlike power.

So how can Goku and Vegeta train in the Room of Spirit and Time if Goku already been in there twice? Didn't they say that people only people that enter the room more then twice can not enter? Piccolo also destroyed the ROSAT entrance, leaving no way out. So how is it back to normal?

Well, Earth was destroyed by Buu and they used the Dragon Balls to bring back the planet. Guess ROSAT is now available again due to the use of the Namek DBs.

About ROSAT, altough Goku only entered the room once. Since both are godlike fighters, they can simply open a portal using a ki-ai, even SSJ3 Gotenks did that easily.

[Tsufuru]

becouse , cell , buu and freeza are siblings , right?

beerus and champa are twins from twin universe's.
how does this translate to being lazy especialy when we know there are other completly diffrent universe's.

if he really was lazy than he would have just made the 6th universe and didnt reveal anymore universe's.

[ekrolo2]

becouse , cell , buu and freeza are siblings , right?

beerus and champa are twins from twin universe's.
how does this translate to being lazy especialy when we know there are other completly diffrent universe's.

if he really was lazy than he would have just made the 6th universe and didnt reveal anymore universe's.

Its lazy because he's purposefully picking the universe that's quite similar to the one we've had for decades now instead of picking another one where he'd have to put actual effort into designing everything and couldn't re-use shit we already have. Champa, Vados and alter!Freeza are pretty lazy designs, especially from a guy who's got a pretty good knack for that stuff.

[MCDaveG]

Oh yes! I was actually kind of puzzled by the 3 characters from the opposing team are looking more like Xenoverse customization, but I am happy that those are actually kinda new designs
as opposed to fan's wishes of Female leads and Brolli and whatever fanfic stuff.

I can't wait to see this in anime, the Ressurection F is kinda boring me now as we went to Goku vs Freeza with bad choreography (I was again spoiled by the Ressurection F movie and would like more Super's story and FnF choreography).

Can't wait!!! Is that Zuno guy in the manga already?

[Doctor.]

Alternate takes/counterparts to Gokû, Vegeta, and the others were what I was looking forward to the most with Uni 6. I'm likely in the minority, but I don't really care about just more new characters; why have a mirror universe and not utilize it, ya know? Same thing with teasing female saiyans last chapter and not delivering this chapter on it. Everyone's got their own takes on what they find fun though, so.

But you don't have to necessarily have a character named "Vegeta" in universe 6 to make that work. You can still establish parallels without having to make a straight-up alternate version of a pre-existing character. Take that Saiyan in the universe 6 team for instance. Let's say he's the prince, or the king, of the Saiyan race in that universe. Let's also assume that the Saiyans are just as ruthless as they were in universe 7. Wouldn't it be interesting to develop that one character, not only by comparing him with Vegeta, but by showing us how a Saiyan society would evolve if Freeza didn't exist?

[Chuquita]

It definitely works. I do agree with you, I'm just not interested in it. ^^;
It's not what I wanted. But I can't get everything I want, no one can get everything they want.

I wanted an alternate Gokû and Vegeta. I didn't get them. Oh well for me. I'm sad about it, but nothing I can do.

[Basaku]

as opposed to fan's wishes of Female leads and Brolli and whatever fanfic stuff.

Yes yes, clearly female fighters are in 'bad fan ideas' category.



Get a grip dude.

[Avery]

Someone's late to the party.
A great chapter overall. Monaca's design is just as dumb as I hoped for. Hope this changes the "DBZ IS SO BADASS" mentality among the fandom. Champa's team is a mixed bag, though. While I do like Pooh and the robot, I greatly dislike the Freeza guy mainly because I'm sick of anything resembling Freeza at this point. Not a fan of purple Cell either.
Zuno's place looks spectacular in manga form and I hope it will look even better in animation. That little subplot was fun.
Also, Goku cursing Gohan.

I'd like any of that inclusion of female saiyans to be true. I'll be thrilled if female saiyans do show up, or if the little boy saiyan is a little girl after all. I'm just all jaded right now because atm it looks like there's no females in the tournament at all. There's so many female characters in DBHeroes of all things, would it kill them to have had at least one woman in this tournament?

I really thought that Vegeta info dumping from Chapter 6 meant something beyond trivia and right now it's looking like it really was only trivia.

I think you were looking too much into it. That scene didn't really feel like anything more than a joke. Gag scenes aren't supposed to lead to anything, even for a monthly manga like this one.
Personally, I don't care whether we get any women at all. We have Vados, who's currently the strongest character and that's more than enough... to me at least.

[Chuquita]

I was definitely looking too much into it. My guess for them to have a female saiyan turned out wrong, after all. ^^;

My guesses usually aren't very accurate with Super.
My one guess that turned out to be true (Vegeta princess-catching Gokû of all things) wasn't even so much a guess as a wishful thinking comic I drew weeks before #14 aired

[alakazam^]

Its lazy because he's purposefully picking the universe that's quite similar to the one we've had for decades now instead of picking another one where he'd have to put actual effort into designing everything and couldn't re-use shit we already have. Champa, Vados and alter!Freeza are pretty lazy designs, especially from a guy who's got a pretty good knack for that stuff.

You realize he was the one to come up with the twin Universes concept, right? He didn't choose what was already available, he decided things should be like that. Even then, he bothered to introduce new people when the easy route would be to have similar people. I'm surprised you don't seem to understand that the whole point is for those three to be similar to the ones they are related to. Besides, he's been re-using designs since the very beginning of his career, it's not something new.

We all know he is lazy but he also pushes himself into not being, hence why he forced himself to include Chichi in the cast and when he extended the Boo fight as much as he could when he was completely fed up with the franchise at the time.

[Khin]

Kinda surpised that Goku/Vegeta/Bulma and the others are still in their ROF outfits,i was hoping were going to get new designs for them.

[Chuquita]

I'm most surprised at Bulma not having a new outfit for this arc. She, Gohan, and Yamcha were the champs of changing it up with their clothes and hair.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

We don't need folks changing their outfits every arc. They are fine as is.