I thought you were going to drop the debate, but it seems you aren't...
Marlowe89 wrote:There's nothing even remotely baffling about it. Throughout this entire discussion you've claimed that I've attributed things to you that you've never said even though I haven't done anything more than clarify the specific implication behind "underlining" a point, so when you keep insisting that I'm twisting your logic or changing the debate, obviously it's only natural that I'd eventually ask you to clarify what you meant in the first place.
But I don't have to clarify what I mean because what I mean is the meaning of the word, as simple as that. You have constantly came up with different meanings for the word and then attributed me things that I've never said, and I pointed out every single one (maybe some slipped my mind...).
So yes, it is totally baffling that you ask me to define a word that has a proper meaning common for every English speaker.
Marlowe89 wrote:This isn't hard to understand. When you argue that "action B" underlines "standpoint A", you're arguing that it's emphasizing it, which means it's stressing it, which means it's putting weight behind it, which means it's supporting it. That's what I've been disputing all along. Obviously when it escalates to this point, I can't help but think there's either a communication barrier somewhere or you're just being deliberately obtuse about the whole thing.
Wow, in order to reinforce your point you needed to go through 5 synonyms. Quite farfetched, don't you think?
I've been pretty clear and I've given you several examples. Yes, it underlines an opinion. No, it does not mean that that opinion is true (among half a dozen things it doesn't mean but you imply it does).
I find funny that you constantly insist on the language barrier. You were the one asking for definitions, not me.
Marlowe89 wrote:Bingo. Maybe now that our terms are established, we can participate in a proper debate.
Swiping isn't actually an uncommon practice among artists, so no, I don't think it's inherently indicative of a lack of creativity. I specifically suggested this earlier in our discussion. The problem with Toyotaro isn't that he traced, it's that he did it in an official capacity for profit. It's totally unprofessional, and that's why I have a problem with it, but I wouldn't say it emphasizes the notion that he's an uncreative artist.
Creativity implie creating new things. If you are tracing, you are consequently not being creative. It doesn't matter how common it is among artists. And it is a common practice among artists who want to train their skills.
The fact that he earns money for it makes it unprofessional, yes. But, even if he did it for free, copying it entails a lack of creativity.
Like I have constantly repeated, that does not necesarily make Toyotaro uncreative by itself, that would be an oversymplification of a complex issue. But it certainly underlines it.
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VegettoEX wrote:You two are consistently talking in circles around each other, and it's apparent/transparent that you are not truly looking to "debate" (for lack of a better phrase here) in good faith with each other or the community as a whole.
This just doesn't look like an honest Kanzenshuu conversation, and your contributions here have ended. Enough is enough, please thank you and goodnight.
Sorry, I've just seen this after my message was already posted.
I won't bother you about this issue anymore .