The fact that the transformation does not receive a name does not mean that it is not an evolutionAnimeNation101 wrote:Here’s the thing though. The forms were never stated in the manga to be Blue Evolved. In the end, its just a headcanon on your part that what Goku and Vegeta use are evolved SSB forms. And not 1 but 2 different evolved SSBs. Whats the explanation for that?TheSaiyanGod wrote:1 - You did not understand. I made a distinction between regular Blue and Blue evolved. Completed SSB is still just the Blue, but it is at its pinnacle with power and strength control. Blue evolved shown in ToP does not fit into the regular Blue, it's an evolution, an enhancement, so that's why CSSB is the pinnacle of SSBAnimeNation101 wrote:
Here are some things that completely make what ur saying crumble.
1. This SSBE knock off that Vegeta unlocks in the T.o.P and the SSBKK knock off that Goku uses in the T.o.P are both established to be more powerful forms than Completed SSB. So CSSB aint the pinnicle anymore and that doesn’t make sense
2. The main gimmick of CSSB is that you don’t let your ki leak, both the SSBE and SSBKK knock offs let ki leak. Yet they’re both superior in power and speed.
These knock off forms are completely contradict CSSB. Which sucks because I'm actually fine with CSSB. Its a cool concept. But these knock offs are just examples of Toyo being difficult and making things more confusing to follow whilst contradicting himself. Not to mention the knock off of SSBKK has no explanation of its origins. It just comes out of nowhere as something that SSB can apparently do.
2- So as Blue evolved is different from regular Blue, it makes no sense you try to apply the rules from one transformation to another. Regular Blue requires Ki to be contained within the body to use its maximum potential, but Evolved Blue, as an evolution, consists of something different to increase Vegeta's power, and has a totally different aura. So you can not say that Evolved Blue does not make sense using normal Blue concepts, they are different ways of using power
And for a manga, it's perfectly possible to distinguish the regular Blue to the Evolved Blue because auras are totally different, and this is a very eye-catching visual aspect (in chapter 45 we clearly see the two stages of Blue), and Evolved Blue already was established as much stronger than regular Blue, there is no confusion here. The same goes for Blue Kaioken
But lets say it was evolved Blue. That logic from your second point makes no sense. CSSB works with you containing and harnessing your aura inside your body to increase your power. Nothing suggests that an Evolved Blue COULDN’T do that. In fact, SSB being able to do that makes it MORE LIKELY that an Evolved SSB can do the same. Because and Evolved SSB is just an upgraded SSB form.
First, one of the signs of a new transformation or evolution in relation to something earlier is the visual aspect, and Beerus quickly notes that Vegeta's aura has completely changed
And what Goku uses is not an evolved Blue like Vegeta's, it's just a desperate attempt to gain more power by elevating his Ki to the point of almost blowing his body. Goku was ignoring the principles of CSSB and trying to use something similar to Kaioken because he thought that was the solution (even some people think it really was the Kaioken)