"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Big Black Sayian]

Huh, I thought "Goku is terrible dad" thing was discussion that only western fans had. Didn't realize fans in Japan share that sentiment too. Which isn't too surprising. Parents are universal

[Miracles]

Difference is it was only goten he said he missed in the anime so it was alright but to add the fact he missed his first born son as well in the manga? Fuck outta here with that shit seems unnecessary as hell especially vegeta trying to play the moral high ground crap Plus add more goku is a shit father crap meme that god forbid need to be alive

It's true tho. Vegeta as of late has been a good father. Goku giving Vegeta bad father advice RIGHT NOW to miss his kid's birth is an example of bad fatherhood.
Vegeta WANTS to be there for his kid's birth so he called Goku out on it. It isn't hypocrisy if Vegeta has stopped the bad father act. Which he has. But Goku still showed his.
Also, Goku missing Gohan's birth is a fact. We never seen him there at the birth, was it stated that Goku WAS there for Gohan's entrance? So Toriyama can easily say Goku wasn't there.
You people are blowing this petty statement way out of proportion. The statement is typical Goku, putting fighting over everything else.

Vegeta is very much in character. He is the biggest jerk, especially towards Goku. Doesn't mean he is right, doesn't mean the author wants you to think he is right.

You get it.

[HeroR]

Huh, I thought "Goku is terrible dad" thing was discussion that only western fans had. Didn't realize fans in Japan share that sentiment too. Which isn't too surprising. Parents are universal

It isn't as widespread or taken as seriously. Goku actually was on a favorite father of the year poll in Japan.

[Big Black Sayian]

Huh, I thought "Goku is terrible dad" thing was discussion that only western fans had. Didn't realize fans in Japan share that sentiment too. Which isn't too surprising. Parents are universal

It isn't as widespread or taken as seriously. Goku actually was on a favorite father of the year poll in Japan.

Interesting. Even if was taking seriously I doubt it would stop Goku from being popular.

[The gr]

Now we have to wait for another month cant say impressed with this month.Next month need that reunion with The gods like in PV & one exhibition match,maybe have a 3vs1 match just to introduce the other Brothers.Of course The outcome that is likely is having one match with u9 in a 1v1 & toppo interfering

[precita]

The manga should be cancelled. It's nothing more than fanfiction at this point.

[ekrolo2]

The manga should be cancelled. It's nothing more than fanfiction at this point.

You're half right, Super should be canceled and the rights to make any more Dragon Ball fired into the sun.

[Kanassa]

The manga should be cancelled. It's nothing more than fanfiction at this point.

Manga is something that sells well and is praised throughout the community; but sure, they should definitely cancel. \s

[mfwlegend3]

and is praised throughout the community

More like a majority hate and/or ignore its existence entirely.

[The gr]

The manga should be cancelled. It's nothing more than fanfiction at this point.

You're half right, Super should be canceled and the rights to make any more Dragon Ball fired into the sun.

this man speak the truth

when people say the manga is fanfic, I just facepalm and say isn't super in general like this,that criticism is a cop out

[HeroR]

and is praised throughout the community

More like a majority hate and/or ignore its existence entirely.

My personally feelings for the manga aside, it sells well, a lot of people enjoy, and likes having a different take on the anime. For some, it's their canon to Super and that's more than enough reason not to cancel it.

[mfwlegend3]

and is praised throughout the community

More like a majority hate and/or ignore its existence entirely.

My personally feelings for the manga aside, it sells well and a lot of people enjoy and likes having a different take on the anime. For some, it's their can to Super and that's more than enough reason not to cancel it.

I agree, I wouldn't want the manga cancelled. I enjoy it to a degree, but a large portion of the community really doesn't have favorable views on the manga with only a handful actually liking it in comparison. I really am curious to see what the Japanese fans think about it. I know some on 2ch have expressed the same kind of problems we do with the anime.

[micah007]

More like a majority hate and/or ignore its existence entirely.

My personally feelings for the manga aside, it sells well and a lot of people enjoy and likes having a different take on the anime. For some, it's their can to Super and that's more than enough reason not to cancel it.

I agree, I wouldn't want the manga cancelled. I enjoy it to a degree, but a large portion of the community really doesn't have favorable views on the manga with only a handful actually liking it in comparison. I really am curious to see what the Japanese fans think about it. I know some on 2ch have expressed the same kind of problems we do with the anime.

I really wonder how much of the dislike comes from the fact that the manga tends to smash headcanon and or firmly establish in-universe information, leaving little room for interpretation of content. I've seen a lot of hate for the current chapter mainly because it angered the 90% of the fandom who believed SSB Goku/Vegeta at this point was more than a match for a serious Beerus.

[Totamo]

It was a dumb plan and You don't get credit for that. Why should he get credit for that? They got people killed including himself . This is like giving a participation award for doing the bare minimum and they sucked. All those plans proved was Goku was an idiot, who got extremely lucky 16 was there.

First of all, I don't even know what your talking about right here, I thought we're talking about the Buu Saga.

Also do you know Vegeta? He rather be crushed than pitied. He was far more angry that Goku tricked him into thinking he could win. Not to mention, Vegeta only did what he did to fight Goku. Yet Goku chose to fight him evenly and THREATEN someone just trying to do his job.

"Vegeta only did what he did to fight Goku" You know how twisted that sounds right, so he knowingly put the Earth in Jeopardy, submit his mind to even a warlock knowing that would help his plans to revive an evil mosnter, and killed half a stadium full spectators to fight with Goku and satisfy his pride. All of these actions were out of Goku's control, the only action that was in his control was during his fight Vegeta, but that would be without major repercussions, when you take into account Vegeta's state of mind at the time and his track record of the following courses of actions he does after being humiliated.

Goku was directly responsible for both the Cell and Buu saga. And instead of fighting until he is barely breathing like he would have in ball, he throws it on children, more importantly his own children and it only made matters worse.

You must mean Vegeta? As he let Andriod 18 be absorbed, and as I said before about Trunks and Goten, he had the right idea, though went at the wrong way of executing it. In theory it wasn't bad at all, though Majin Buu was too big of a villain for beginners like them to handle, on the flip side they almost beat him but unfortunately the fusion ran out. Moreover, it would be disingenuous to say the sole magnitude and responsibility to defeat Majin Buu was all there's, as they did have Piccolo for guidance and key resources at their disposal like the Timechamber with added bonus of already being prodigious Super Saiyans.

Now Ball Goku didn't have this problem,a guy did something bad, he did everything he could to stop them even if he was weaker. He never put any problem on anyone else. More importantly, his actions never got anyone murdered. Did I also forget that he didn't let people go except one who really didn't do anything wrong.

Two different stories really as Kid Goku was mainly entering in tournaments and traveling the world. Plus he was a child, you see things differently as a child, if anything Kid Goku was more reckless.

You aren't getting it or maybe you don't want to. So I will make it simple. Vegeta is half the reason Buu is revived. Goku is the other half. He knowingly fought Vegeta evenly, when he could have defeated him and prevented all of this. His energy was what awoke Buu. No matter what reaction Vegeta would have had and no matter how bad he felt, its all irrelevant to the fact that the world is in danger and the only person that could prevent it all doesn't for no logical reason. Goku shouldn't care about Vegeta's emotions. He didn't care about Gohan's when he forced him to fight Cell who was depending on him. He didn't care about Bulma's who was crying when he refused to find Gero and prevent the apocalypse. He didn't care about Chichi's when he knowingly out their son in dnager and did it again.

And we find out that Vegeta was far more hurt knowing Goku, his rival, pitied him



Now I'm going tell you why Goku's plan was bad even in theory....Goku could have stopped Buu. No matter what, you say. It always come back to that one sentence. You are sitting there watching super buu kill everyone, gotenks goof off, Gohan being arrogant, kid buu blowing up the planet, vegeta on the verge of extinction and the only thought that comes to my mind is Goku could have stopped Buu. Why does Goten and Trunks have to do anything? Why does Piccolo need to do anything? Goku is here now and he can do it in less time. Then he could teach them how to fuse for future threats or train them in the time chamber.

It be like if Goku fought in his base, a fight that be easy in his super saiyan 1 form because he doesn't want to rely on his transformations. You know what everyone is complaining about the tournament right now. Yeah, you could say Goku should strengthen his base but why does he need to do that right now. He is wasting time and risking lives.




The main problem with Goku's plan in the Buu saga was that it wasn't needed for that problem.

[Totamo]

The manga should be cancelled. It's nothing more than fanfiction at this point.

You're half right, Super should be canceled and the rights to make any more Dragon Ball fired into the sun.

this man speak the truth

when people say the manga is fanfic, I just facepalm and say isn't super in general like this,that criticism is a cop out

There is a difference between a cashgrab and a fanfic, my friend.

[LightBing]

From your understanding..., care to provide a source? I believe the chapter still hasn't been fully translated.
Training at home is not the same as training with the guy who trains Hakaishins, that's a moot point.

So, not training with Whis for a week or two is out of the question when his wife is about to have a baby? This isn't the same as going to work everyday.

Again I ask where are you getting the week or two information? If it's anything like the anime, it's not any time soon and Whis will have to step in or Vegeta will refuse to participate in the tournament. Like the crappy parent he is...

[The gr]

You're half right, Super should be canceled and the rights to make any more Dragon Ball fired into the sun.

this man speak the truth

when people say the manga is fanfic, I just facepalm and say isn't super in general like this,that criticism is a cop out

There is a difference between a cashgrab and a fanfic, my friend.

My friend The anime & manga is fanfic or some BS like that & DB was always a Cash grab

[HeroR]

I really wonder how much of the dislike comes from the fact that the manga tends to smash headcanon and or firmly establish in-universe information, leaving little room for interpretation of content. I've seen a lot of hate for the current chapter mainly because it angered the 90% of the fandom who believed SSB Goku/Vegeta at this point was more than a match for a serious Beerus.

Not sure why it matters since the manga is it own canon and Toyo's interpretation of events. If he thinks Beerus smash Goku and Vegeta easily, that his business. You can just go by the anime that leaves it vague.

In either case, Goku and Vegeta will only equal or surpass Beerus when he gives the word.

From your understanding..., care to provide a source? I believe the chapter still hasn't been fully translated.
Training at home is not the same as training with the guy who trains Hakaishins, that's a moot point.

So, not training with Whis for a week or two is out of the question when his wife is about to have a baby? This isn't the same as going to work everyday.

Again I ask where are you getting the week or two information? If it's anything like the anime, it's not any time soon and Whis will have to step in or Vegeta will refuse to participate in the tournament. Like the crappy parent he is...

I didn't mean a week or two literally. I'm saying Vegeta could have stayed home and train and not go to Whis until Bra was born since training with Whis, while nice, isn't his job.

Also in the anime Bulma was late and was due at anytime. So using the anime in this example only makes Vegeta look worse.

[HeroR]

There is a difference between a cashgrab and a fanfic, my friend.

Fanfic is fiction created by the fandom. That's all it means. Quality doesn't matter.

And Dragon Ball has always been a crash grab since it was created to get your money and for Toriyama to get paid as Toriyama admitted.

Super will never be a fanfic since it isn't a fan creation, but an official produce. And Super like most produces in existence is a cash grab because it exist to make money, just like the original manga.

[ekrolo2]

There is a difference between a cashgrab and a fanfic, my friend.

Fanfic is fiction created by the fandom. That's all it means. Quality doesn't matter.

And Dragon Ball has always been a crash grab since it was created to get your money and for Toriyama to get paid as Toriyama admitted.

Super will never be a fanfic since it isn't a fan creation, but an official produce. And Super like most produces in existence is a cash grab because it exist to make money, just like the original manga.

Every piece of fiction that's sold is created to make money, that's not an excuse for Super to be shit when there are literally thousands of other things designed to make money that are also good.

You're half right, Super should be canceled and the rights to make any more Dragon Ball fired into the sun.

this man speak the truth

when people say the manga is fanfic, I just facepalm and say isn't super in general like this,that criticism is a cop out

There is a difference between a cashgrab and a fanfic, my friend.

A bad fanfic and a bad cashgrab have very little difference to me, the fact this franchise, a simple one at that, consistently fails spectacularly at making a good story from start to finish should probably let someone know that it needs to go back to the grave or put someone one who can do it right.

FFS, the anime was dead on arrival but at least they could have found a good mangaka to do the manga so there's at least A version of post-BoG Dragon Ball that's good but nope, they put Toyotaro on it, the guy who's output rivals Force Awakens in terms of sheer earth shattering genericness.