Wait.PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:Honestly, I'd say Vegeta's "fight " with Katopesla is the best evidence we have for how strong Goku and Vegeta without transformations are.
When he became 300 times stronger than normal in his Power Mode, Katopesla could beat on Vegeta's base form, and he only really annoyed him; he then became 300 times stronger than this in his Ultimate Mode, and was still inferior to Vegeta's SS form.
Speed Mode Katopesla was gonna land a blow against 18 while her ankle was twisted, but he was stopped by 17. Seems to me that this is about the best we have for any direct comparisons between 18 and base Goku/Vegeta.
It's Ultimate mode takes into account the boost of his Power mode?
So Ultimate mode is a 90,000 times boost?