Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[ZombieVito]

Stuff.

It always brings a smile to my face when someone uses my list as a base for his own.

Aside for some small nitpicks you did a great job. Your Super list is very good and I do agree that Saiyan beyond God is the way to go. Your idea about Kuririn reawakening his potential is fucking amazing and I might have to borrow it.

Once 108 hits I will update my list.

[RurrlockGodOfPower]

Thanks, yeah, your list was something that helped inspire me with mine. Half of making it was trying to make it understandable to read and organised

I feel that Krillin's potential being reawakened can help explain his power. He has been called the strongest human numerous times, the difference between him and Tien, I feel, is that Krillin lets things get to his head. He holds himself back with self-doubt and the series hints that he suffers from PTSD. Without the right mindset, he's going to hold himself back. Getting his confidence will help him push himself further to new heights. Maybe not Saiyan heights, but I doubt any villain would want to face Krillin when he's determined to win.

I'm going to update too when the TOP ends. We'll see how it goes.

[VegetaSSJBlue]

Dragon Ball Power Levels


MULTIPLIERS


[spoiler]Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 100x
Super Saiyan 2 – 100x
Super Saiyan 3 – 400x[/spoiler]


Death of the Gods Arc


[spoiler]Pure Boo – 40,000,000,000
South Kaioshin absorbed – 800,000,000,000
Dai Kaioshin absorbed – 35,000,000,000

South Kaioshin – 5,000,000,000
Dai Kaioshin – 4,750,000,000
North Kaioshin– 4,500,000,000
West Kaioshin – 4,250,000,000
Shin – 4,000,000,000
Kibito– 10,000,000
Bibidi – 3[/spoiler]


Demon War Arc


[spoiler]Nameless Namekian – 600
Kami of Earth – 375
Mr. Popo – 265
Piccolo Daimao– 225
Master Mutaito– 63
Master Roshi– 33
Master Tsuru– 30
Piccolo Daimao’s sons– 10 ~ 20
Master Mutaito’s students– 12 ~ 16[/spoiler]


Dragon Ball Arc


[spoiler]Master Roshi – 25
Full Power – 139

Son Goku – 10
Oozaru – 100

Gyuumao– 20
Yamcha – 9
Kuririn – 8
Chi Chi – 7
Bear Bandit – 7
Carrotizor Bunny – 6.5
Lunch – 6
Mai – 5.5
Shu – 5
Bulma – 4
Pilaf – 3
Oolong – 2.5
Puar – 2[/spoiler]


21st Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 24
Oozaru – 240

Master Roshi – 25
Full Power – 139

Nam– 21
Kuririn – 18
Giran– 15
Yamcha – 12
Bacterian – 11
Ran Fan – 10
Oorin Temple Upperclassman – 9[/spoiler]


Red Ribbon Army Arc


[spoiler]Karin– 45

Son Goku – 25
After Karin’s training – 40

Tao Pai Pai – 36
Arale – 30
Gatchan – 29
Android 8– 28
Buyon – 26
Sergeant Metallic– 24
Bora– 22
Pirate Robot – 21
General Blue – 20
Kuririn – 18
Ninja Murasaki– 14
Assistant Black – 12
Captain Silver– 10
Captain Yellow– 9
Captain Dark– 8
Captain Violet– 7
General White– 6
Commander Red– 5[/spoiler]


Uranai Baba’s Tournament Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 40
Grandpa Gohan – 38
Akkuman – 33
Mummy Man – 28
Kuririn – 18
Yamcha– 12
Invisible Man– 11
Dracula Man – 10[/spoiler]


22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 70
Tenshinhan– 68
Master Roshi – 66
Master Tsuru– 60
Kuririn – 55
Yamcha – 55
Chiaotzu– 50
King Chapa – 45
Panput – 16
Wolf Man – 12[/spoiler]


Piccolo Daimao Arc


[spoiler]Kami of Earth – 300
Mr. Popo – 265

Son Goku – 70
After drinking Ultra Divine Water – 230

Piccolo Daimao– 180
Youth restored – 225

Drum– 80
Tenshinhan– 68
Master Roshi – 66
Yajirobe– 65
Tambourine – 60
Kuririn – 55
Yamcha – 55
Cymbal – 40
King’s Guard – 15
Piano – 5[/spoiler]


23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 235
Without weighted clothes – 400

Piccolo – 395
Kami of Earth – 300
Tenshinhan– 240
Kuririn – 195
Yamcha – 170
Tao Pai Pai [Cyborg] – 144
Chaozu – 120
Yajirobe – 65
King Chapa – 50
Chi Chi– 25[/spoiler]


Saiyan Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 334
Without weighted clothes – 416
Post training – 8,250
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,500
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,750
Kaio-Ken x4 – 33,000

Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307
Post training – 1,000
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 10,000

Piccolo – 322
Without weighted clothes – 408
Post training – 2,400

Tenshinhan – 250
Post training – 1,800

Kuririn – 206
Post training – 1,500

Yamcha – 177
Post training – 1,300

Chaozu – 125
Post training – 750

Yajirobe – 65
Post training – 500

Master Roshi – 60
Mr. Popo – 265
Kami of Earth – 300
Enma Daio– 2,500
Kaio of the North – 4,500

Saibaimen – 1,200

Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000

Nappa – 7,500
Oozaru – 75,000

Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]


Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 11,250
Post-training – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000
Post-recovery – 3,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 30,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000

Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 29,900
Post-recovery 2 – 495,000
Post-recovery 3 – 2,400,000

Son Gohan – 1,500
Post-power-up – 15,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Enraged – 975,000
Post-recovery 2 – 400,000
Enraged – 1,750,000

Piccolo – 150,000
Merged with Nail – 1,200,000
Without weighted clothes – 1,500,000

Kuririn – 1,500
Post-power-up – 15,000

Dende – 100
Post-power-up – 1,000

Muri – 1,500
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000

Freeza’s soldiers – 1,000 ~ 2,000
Banan – 1,050
Sui – 1,075
Applue – 2,000
Gurd – 4,000
Kiwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 19,000

Zarbon – 20,000
Monster – 30,000

Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000

Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 1,000,000
Power Up – 1,150,000
Full Power – 1,400,000
Third Form – 1,800,000
True Form – 3,150,000
50% Power – 70,000,000
70% Power – 100,000,000
100% Power – 140,000,000[/spoiler]


Mecha Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 3,600,000
Super Saiyan – 180,000,000

Future Trunks – 3,600,000
Super Saiyan – 180,000,000

Vegeta – 3,000,000
Piccolo – 2,000,000
Son Gohan – 400,000
Tenshinhan – 18,000
Kuririn – 15,000
Yamcha – 7,000
Chaozu – 2,500

Freeza's Soldiers – 1,000 ~ 2,000
King Cold – 100,000,000

Mecha Freeza – 80,000,000
Unseen Full Power – 160,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc I


[spoiler]Future Gohan – 2,800,000
Super Saiyan – 140,000,000
After 1 year of training – 3,500,000
Super Saiyan – 175,000,000

Future Trunks – 50,000
After 1 year of training – 65,000
Super Saiyan – 3,250,000
After 3 year of training – 3,600,000
Super Saiyan – 180,000,000

Future Android 18 – 360,000,000
Future Android 17 – 400,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 4,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 95,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,750,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,500,000,000

Son Goku – 4,800,000
Super Saiyan – 240,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000

Vegeta – 5,000,000
Super Saiyan – 250,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 16,500,000
Super Saiyan – 825,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 1,237,500,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 1,650,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000

Future Trunks – 4,500,000
Super Saiyan – 225,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 16,000,000
Super Saiyan – 800,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 1,200,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 1,600,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000

Piccolo – 200,000,000
Merged with Kami – 400,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 2,400,000,000

Tenshinhan – 23,000
Kuririn – 18,750
Yamcha – 8,750
Chaozu – 2,750
Mister Satan– 6.66

Android 19 – 100,000,000
Post-absorption – 150,000,000

Android 20 – 110,000,000
Post-absorption – 165,000,000

Android 18 – 360,000,000
Android 17 – 400,000,000
Android 16 – 500,000,000
Cell Juniors – 3,000,000,000

Cell – 200,000,000
Post-absorption – 300,000,000
Post-absorption 2 – 500,000,000
Second Form – 800,000,000
Full Power – 1,000,000,000
Perfect Form – 1,200,000,000
Vs Vegeta/Trunks – 1,500,000,000
Bulked Up – 1,875,000,000
Vs Goku/Gohan – 4,500,000,000
Full Power – 6,000,000,000
Bulked Up – 7,500,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 8,500,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc II


[spoiler]Future Trunks – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000
After 3 year of training – 70,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,500,000,000

Future Android 18 – 360,000,000
Future Android 17 – 400,000,000
Cell – 500,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 40,000,000,000

Vegeta – 90,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,000,000,000
After Babidi's power-up – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 8,000,000,000
Post-Z-Sword training – 120,000,000
Potential unleashed – 600,000,000,000

Trunks – 41,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,050,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 50,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000

Son Goten – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 50,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000

Gotenks – 1,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 50,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 1,250,000,000
Super Saiyan – 62,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 125,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 500,000,000,000

Vegetto – 1,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 50,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 100,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 400,000,000,000,000

Piccolo – 3,000,000,000
Android 18 – 360,000,000
Tenshinhan – 28,000
Kuririn – 18,750
Chaozu – 3,000
Dende– 1,500
Videl– 7.35
Mister Satan– 6.66

Rou Kaioshin – 1,000,000
Kibito – 10,000,000
Shin – 4,000,000,000
Kibito-Shin – 32,000,000,000

Babidi– 3
Yamu– 7
Spopovich– 7
Pui Pui– 20,000
Yakon – 120,000,000
Dabra – 6,000,000,000

Majin Boo – 35,000,000,000
Good Boo – 15,000,000,000
Evil Boo – 20,000,000,000
Super Boo – 400,000,000,000
+ Gotenks – 900,000,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 1,000,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 800,000,000,000
Pure Boo – 40,000,000,000[/spoiler]


28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan– 600,000,000,000
Mister Boo – 15,000,000,000
Piccolo – 3,600,000,000
Son Goku– 120,000,000
Vegeta – 120,000,000
Oob – 120,000,000
Trunks – 60,000,000
Son Goten – 60,000,000
Pan – 30,000,000
Tenshinhan – 33,000
Chaozu – 3,250
Mister Satan– 6.66[/spoiler]

[Noah]

Wrong thread, mate ^

[Lord Beerus]

- Base Goku and Ribrianne are fighting equally
- Jimeze uses Instant Transmission to constantly catch Gohan (who is in his base form) off-guard and continuously attack Gohan
- Jimeze tries to use the same Instant Transmission against Freeza, but Freeza just swats him away like fly with his tail.
- Freeza proceeds to beat the hell out of Jimeze and eliminate Jimeze with ease.
- Freeza fights Gohan is his base form and beats the hell out of Gohan
- Gohan powers up to his Ultimate Form and fights evenly with Final Form Freeza
- Freeza powers up into Golden Freeza and a somewhat even battle ensues. But Golden Freeza gains the advantage quickly and knocks Ultimate Gohan out with a single kick.
- Frost buffs ups to a bulked 100% form like Freeza did on Namek and Freeza does the same thing. Freeza then proceeds to blast Frost, while the both of them are bulked up, and Frost gets ringed out instantly.

EDIT - NEP shows Goku continuing to fight Ribrianne and Jiren is about to run wild on you.

[Bullza]

New episode, pretty interesting this one.

Base Goku seems to be holding his own against Ribrianne, which is kind of odd considering she can hold her own against Super Saiyan Vegeta and Android 17 so maybe she's not fighting seriously.

Jimizu seemed stronger than Base Gohan or maybe just the instant transmission helped. We did see Goku fighting him as a Super Saiyan so he'd probably above Base level.

Frieza beat the tar out of him though. also seemed stronger than Base Gohan when they clashed but I'm not sure if that's because he was injured or what. Frieza might also have been holding back from the looks of it?

Golden Frieza and Ultimate Gohan fought and they seemed fairly even at first so that might fit with him putting up a good fight against Super Saiyan Blue Goku making him God level but then he clearly lost but again not sure if it was partly because he was injured or if Golden Frieza was still holding back.

I don't really know if this does or doesn't confirm any Base power retcon.

Edit: According to Herms Champa says that Frost is no match for Frieza, that one is particularly interesting because it would either mean Frost was weaker than the Base Saiyans after all in the Universe 6 Tournament or Frieza is stronger than Super Saiyan.

It also looks like Gohan only pretended to get knocked out meaning he wouldn't necessarily be weaker.

[ZombieVito]

New episode, pretty interesting this one.

Base Goku seems to be holding his own against Ribrianne, which is kind of odd considering she can hold her own against Super Saiyan Vegeta and Android 17 so maybe she's not fighting seriously.

Jimizu seemed stronger than Base Gohan or maybe just the instant transmission helped. We did see Goku fighting him as a Super Saiyan so he'd probably above Base level.

Frieza beat the tar out of him though. also seemed stronger than Base Gohan when they clashed but I'm not sure if that's because he was injured or what. Frieza might also have been holding back from the looks of it?

Golden Frieza and Ultimate Gohan fought and they seemed fairly even at first so that might fit with him putting up a good fight against Super Saiyan Blue Goku making him God level but then he clearly lost but again not sure if it was partly because he was injured or if Golden Frieza was still holding back.

I don't really know if this does or doesn't confirm any Base power retcon.

Final form Freeza wasn't completely overwhelmed by Ultimate Gohan and managed to hold his own for a while.

If there isn't a Saiyan beyond God then Freeza should have been on the ground after getting hit.

What more do people need?

[Animelover5487]

- Base Goku and Ribrianne are fighting equally
- Jimeze uses Instant Transmission to constantly catch Gohan (who is in his base form) off-guard and continuously attack Gohan
- Jimeze
- Jimeze tries to use the same Instant Transmission against Freeza, but Freeza just swats him away like fly with his tail.
- Freeza proceeds to beat the hell out of Jimeze and eliminate Jimeze with ease.
- Freeza fights Gohan is his base form and beats the hell out of Gohan
- Gohan powers up to his Ultimate Form and fights evenly with Final Form Freeza
- Freeza powers up into Golden Freeza and a somewhat even battle ensues. But Golden Freeza gains the advantage quickly and knocks Ultimate Gohan out with a single kick.
- Frost buff ups to a bulked 100% form like Freeza did on Namek and Freeza does the same thing. Freeza then proceeds to blast Frost, while the both of them are bulked up, and Frost gets ringed out instantly.

I am confused does, Freeza bulk up in 4th form or Golden form? And I find it kind of weird you say Frost bulked up, I thought Frost had control over his final form to where he didn't need to bulk up, like Freeza had supposedly learned during his four months of training. This also makes me question: Does this mean Frost has been surpressing his full power this whole time, even during the U6 tournament?

[Zamasu55]

So Freeza held back against Gohan and still beat him. Nice... for once, powerl levels make sense.

As for Jimize, he's at least stronger than Lavenda, since he was winning against a stronger version of Gohan (who would've won easily if it wasn't for the poison). I guess he's even stronger than Piccolo.

[Bullza]

Final form Freeza wasn't completely overwhelmed by Ultimate Gohan and managed to hold his own for a while.

If there isn't a Saiyan beyond God then Freeza should have been on the ground after getting hit.

What more do people need?

The fight was all an act on their part so you couldn't really say. Ultimate Gohan could have held back in the same way Frieza might have held back. He went and transformed pretty quickly into it.

Gohan took a dive on purpose so that Frieza could pull one over on Frost.

[Lord Beerus]

- Base Goku and Ribrianne are fighting equally
- Jimeze uses Instant Transmission to constantly catch Gohan (who is in his base form) off-guard and continuously attack Gohan
- Jimeze tries to use the same Instant Transmission against Freeza, but Freeza just swats him away like fly with his tail.
- Freeza proceeds to beat the hell out of Jimeze and eliminate Jimeze with ease.
- Freeza fights Gohan is his base form and beats the hell out of Gohan
- Gohan powers up to his Ultimate Form and fights evenly with Final Form Freeza
- Freeza powers up into Golden Freeza and a somewhat even battle ensues. But Golden Freeza gains the advantage quickly and knocks Ultimate Gohan out with a single kick.
- Frost buffs ups to a bulked 100% form like Freeza did on Namek and Freeza does the same thing. Freeza then proceeds to blast Frost, while the both of them are bulked up, and Frost gets ringed out instantly.

I am confused does, Freeza bulk up in 4th form or Golden form? And I find it kind of weird you say Frost bulked up, I thought Frost had control over his final form to where he didn't need to bulk up, like Freeza had supposedly learned during his four months of training. This also makes me question: Does this mean Frost has been surpressing his full power this whole time, even during the U6 tournament?

Freeza bulked up to his 100% form like he did on Namek when he talks to Frost. Considering that Frost biology is identical to that of Freeza, him bulking up shouldn't really be weird. And if it's anything like Freeza's case on Namek we tackled SSJ Goku, Frost probably realised, after taping into the form for the first time off-screen, how impractical it is in battle given how much it burns through your ki rapidly and never thought of using unless he was in a very desperate situation.

[ZombieVito]

Final form Freeza wasn't completely overwhelmed by Ultimate Gohan and managed to hold his own for a while.

If there isn't a Saiyan beyond God then Freeza should have been on the ground after getting hit.

What more do people need?

The fight was all an act on their part so you couldn't really say. Ultimate Gohan could have held back in the same way Frieza might have held back. He went and transformed pretty quickly into it.

Gohan took a dive on purpose so that Frieza could pull one over on Frost.

I'll wait for the subs but it doesn't look like Gohan was faking it until the last hit.

[Lord Beerus]

The NEP shows that Goku is indeed going to use the Genki Dama. I guess Goku is gonna steal energy from the Hakaishins, Kaioshin and other fighters competing and not competing in the Tournament Of Power.

[Lord Frieza]

The NEP shows that Goku is indeed going to use the Genki Dama. I guess Goku is gonna steal energy from the Hakaishins, Kaioshin and other fighters competing and not competing in the Tournament Of Power.

And it still ain't nothin tu Ma Boyie Jiren!!!

[CJStriker_CBR]

So Freeza held back against Gohan and still beat him. Nice... for once, powerl levels make sense.

As for Jimize, he's at least stronger than Lavenda, since he was winning against a stronger version of Gohan (who would've won easily if it wasn't for the poison). I guess he's even stronger than Piccolo.

A I give Jimeze Credit, he shows a High level of Power, it takes a Champ to go against a fighter like Gohan like that and be in control like that, so Allot of Credit to Him, but I figured he was going to be out of this this episode.

Like Maji-Kio NO Shame in losing to an OP Guy, Maji-Kio with Jiren and Frieza with Jimeze, I give credit to what strength they are able to show.

[BlueBasilisk]

The NEP shows that Goku is indeed going to use the Genki Dama. I guess Goku is gonna steal energy from the Hakaishins, Kaioshin and other fighters competing and not competing in the Tournament Of Power.

While powered up with Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken, no less! The Spirit Bomb looks fairly small compared to the last two he used which makes sense considering the relative lack of people in the World of Void.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Gohan may not have been knocked out, but he clearly was totally dominated in the fight. He did not scratch Golden Freeza with that blow and fell with a kick.

This shows that it is not Goku SSB level, is far from it

[GodVegetto91]

What's even more interesting is that Goku fires the Genki Dama WHILE being transformed in his SSJ Blue Kaioken x20 state. Now THAT is what we call MAXIMUM! This is literally ALL Goku has.. right now.

[Lord Frieza]

What's even more interesting is that Goku fires the Genki Dama WHILE being transformed in his SSJ Blue Kaioken x20 state. Now THAT is what we call MAXIMUM! This is literally ALL Goku has.. right now.

Good point, only Frieza and Beerus have ever had Goku's balls in a vice that badley befor.

[CJStriker_CBR]

New episode, pretty interesting this one.

Base Goku seems to be holding his own against Ribrianne, which is kind of odd considering she can hold her own against Super Saiyan Vegeta and Android 17 so maybe she's not fighting seriously.

Yea I found that part of the Battle Strange , we Know that Ribrianne can Tank SSJ-Vegeta and 17 who are powerful fighters yet both Goku and Ribrianne where REALLY both holding back in base forms. Ribrianne and Goku barely both looked winded, so I don't get why Toei is holding both of them back, was hoping for higher levels cause I know Ribrianne has shown that. But Toei likes to hold back at times that make little sense, so it was a good battle for what it was worth ~~~ All 3-5 mins of it, Very Short.