I'm considering just reading the manga.

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I'm considering just reading the manga.

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:51 am

Yes, I talked about dropping the anime before but this time it's for real.

I don't want to hate the anime I really don't but it keeps giving me reasons to do so. Between the illogical power scaling, lousy characterization (Goku, Chi-Chi, Frost are prime examples), mediocre-to-bad animation, and blatant pandering... it's a real bummer. I know the anime adaptations were always flawed compared to the manga but Toei would learn from their past mistakes however they instead multiplied them by 10 fold.

The manga, on the other hand, suffers almost none of the aforementioned problem. It honestly feels much closer to Toriyama's original image than the cheap imitation of it Toei has going on. Akira Toriyama even said Toyotaro and his manga is the true successor to his heavy-hitting manga while he publically complained the anime.

But as a die-hard Dragon Ball fan, I feel obligated to anything with Toriyama's label on it (especially with people pressuring me to like the anime) but even I have limits.
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Re: I'm considering just reading the manga.

Post by Totamo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:00 am

The anime has really good character interactions and goku is indeed inconsistent in the anime, but the anime has pros.

I would have to say the manga does look better and don't really have to worry about .

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Re: I'm considering just reading the manga.

Post by RehBeh » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:39 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Yes, I talked about dropping the anime before but this time it's for real.

I don't want to hate the anime I really don't but it keeps giving me reasons to do so. Between the illogical power scaling, lousy characterization (Goku, Chi-Chi, Frost are prime examples), mediocre-to-bad animation, and blatant pandering... it's a real bummer. I know the anime adaptations were always flawed compared to the manga but Toei would learn from their past mistakes however they instead multiplied them by 10 fold.

The manga, on the other hand, suffers almost none of the aforementioned problem. It honestly feels much closer to Toriyama's original image than the cheap imitation of it Toei has going on. Akira Toriyama even said Toyotaro and his manga is the true successor to his heavy-hitting manga while he publically complained the anime.

But as a die-hard Dragon Ball fan, I feel obligated to anything with Toriyama's label on it (especially with people pressuring me to like the anime) but even I have limits.
Both have ups and downs. What you like is entirely up to you. For me, the manga is the preferred one exactly for the reasons you stated. Also Toriyama called both continuetions of his work, but its true that he complained about the anime's quality.
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Re: I'm considering just reading the manga.

Post by RehBeh » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:41 am

RehBeh wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Yes, I talked about dropping the anime before but this time it's for real.

I don't want to hate the anime I really don't but it keeps giving me reasons to do so. Between the illogical power scaling, lousy characterization (Goku, Chi-Chi, Frost are prime examples), mediocre-to-bad animation, and blatant pandering... it's a real bummer. I know the anime adaptations were always flawed compared to the manga but Toei would learn from their past mistakes however they instead multiplied them by 10 fold.

The manga, on the other hand, suffers almost none of the aforementioned problem. It honestly feels much closer to Toriyama's original image than the cheap imitation of it Toei has going on. Akira Toriyama even said Toyotaro and his manga is the true successor to his heavy-hitting manga while he publically complained the anime.

But as a die-hard Dragon Ball fan, I feel obligated to anything with Toriyama's label on it (especially with people pressuring me to like the anime) but even I have limits.
Both have ups and downs. What you like is entirely up to you. For me, the manga is the preferred one exactly for the reasons you stated. Also Toriyama called both continuetions of his work, but its true that he complained about the anime's quality.
However there's no reason to abandon the anime, especially because it's far ahead of Toyotaro's adaptation.
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ekrolo2 wrote: He is, its just that no one holds him in high esteem, even in-universe.
He must feel awful. Being a God and no one respects him. Just sad.
And Zamasu thought he had it bad. Fuckin' edgy Kaios thinking about "Justice" and shit just because they got strong by chance.

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Re: I'm considering just reading the manga.

Post by Ki Breaker » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:16 pm

Sure go ahead, if the manga was a little bit more detailed and wasn't stuck to promotional material, I would have dropped the anime ages ago..

The manga is a full blown awesomeness package, which I honestly enjoy reading, the anime on the other hand I am forcing myself to enjoy..
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Post by Totamo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:22 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:Sure go ahead, if the manga was a little bit more detailed and wasn't stuck to promotional material, I would have dropped the anime ages ago..

The manga is a full blown awesomeness package, which I honestly enjoy reading, the anime on the other hand I am forcing myself to enjoy..
i honestly fell that super would have been better had tori just given the plotline to toyo and toei adpat it.

I'm enjoying super both anime and manga but it saddens me that fandom is so divided on this and are constantly complaining about things.

how i wish i was 12 again when all my friends just wanted to have fun

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Post by Ki Breaker » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:24 pm

Totamo wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:Sure go ahead, if the manga was a little bit more detailed and wasn't stuck to promotional material, I would have dropped the anime ages ago..

The manga is a full blown awesomeness package, which I honestly enjoy reading, the anime on the other hand I am forcing myself to enjoy..
i honestly fell that super would have been better had tori just given the plotline to toyo and toei adpat it.

I'm enjoying super both anime and manga but it saddens me that fandom is so divided on this and are constantly complaining about things.

how i wish i was 12 again when all my friends just wanted to have fun
This is possible again if you stay away form the internet..
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Post by MyNiggaGoku » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:40 pm

You can have the manga as your preferred ''canon''(God I hate that term)but the anime,for all its drawbacks,has pretty good things about it too.I like the manga more but I just can't imagine myself dropping the anime.It's just like you said,I also feel obligated to anything with Toriyama's label on it.But that's just how I feel,you're free to do as you like.
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Post by zamasu121 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:42 pm

Totamo wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:Sure go ahead, if the manga was a little bit more detailed and wasn't stuck to promotional material, I would have dropped the anime ages ago..

The manga is a full blown awesomeness package, which I honestly enjoy reading, the anime on the other hand I am forcing myself to enjoy..
i honestly fell that super would have been better had tori just given the plotline to toyo and toei adpat it.

I'm enjoying super both anime and manga but it saddens me that fandom is so divided on this and are constantly complaining about things.

how i wish i was 12 again when all my friends just wanted to have fun
It is mostly the anime that gets criticized, while any flaws in the manga gets a free pass.

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Post by Big Green The Yoshi » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:44 pm

I honestly hear the Manga is just a bad fanfiction. I wouldn't if I were you.

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Post by RehBeh » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:47 pm

MyNiggaGoku wrote:You can have the manga as your preferred ''canon''(God I hate that term)but the anime,for all its drawbacks,has pretty good things about it too.I like the manga more but I just can't imagine myself dropping the anime.It's just like you said,I also feel obligated to anything with Toriyama's label on it.But that's just how I feel,you're free to do as you like.
Why don't you use the term "continuity" then? :D
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RehBeh wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: He is, its just that no one holds him in high esteem, even in-universe.
He must feel awful. Being a God and no one respects him. Just sad.
And Zamasu thought he had it bad. Fuckin' edgy Kaios thinking about "Justice" and shit just because they got strong by chance.

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Re: I'm considering just reading the manga.

Post by RehBeh » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:48 pm

Big Green The Yoshi wrote:I honestly hear the Manga is just a bad fanfiction. I wouldn't if I were you.
That's, to put it simply,false.
GT wasn't that bad
DBZ Macky wrote:
RehBeh wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: He is, its just that no one holds him in high esteem, even in-universe.
He must feel awful. Being a God and no one respects him. Just sad.
And Zamasu thought he had it bad. Fuckin' edgy Kaios thinking about "Justice" and shit just because they got strong by chance.

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Post by Draconic » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:50 pm

You know you can just do it right? You don't have to contemplate or announce it to the world. It's just a cartoon, it's not like it matters, much less for other people.
Check out the videos below, made by yours truly!

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Re: I'm considering just reading the manga.

Post by RehBeh » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:51 pm

zamasu121 wrote:
It is mostly the anime that gets criticized, while any flaws in the manga gets a free pass.
That's not true. I've seen equal criticism on both of them.
GT wasn't that bad
DBZ Macky wrote:
RehBeh wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: He is, its just that no one holds him in high esteem, even in-universe.
He must feel awful. Being a God and no one respects him. Just sad.
And Zamasu thought he had it bad. Fuckin' edgy Kaios thinking about "Justice" and shit just because they got strong by chance.

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Post by Lujin_16 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:52 pm

I never understand why poeple think a manga is better than a anime i mean in a anime you can do so much more than in a manga

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Post by MyNiggaGoku » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:00 pm

RehBeh wrote:
MyNiggaGoku wrote:You can have the manga as your preferred ''canon''(God I hate that term)but the anime,for all its drawbacks,has pretty good things about it too.I like the manga more but I just can't imagine myself dropping the anime.It's just like you said,I also feel obligated to anything with Toriyama's label on it.But that's just how I feel,you're free to do as you like.
Why don't you use the term "continuity" then? :D
I'll try from now on :thumbup:
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Post by zamasu121 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:02 pm

RehBeh wrote:
zamasu121 wrote:
It is mostly the anime that gets criticized, while any flaws in the manga gets a free pass.
That's not true. I've seen equal criticism on both of them.
Not really. here is an example:in episode 57 trunks got 1 hit on ssr black, that caused people to criticize the anime non stop, but when manga ssj2 trunks was hitting ssr black and causing him pain, only me and like 2 other people mentioned it.

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Post by RehBeh » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:15 pm

MyNiggaGoku wrote:
RehBeh wrote:
MyNiggaGoku wrote:You can have the manga as your preferred ''canon''(God I hate that term)but the anime,for all its drawbacks,has pretty good things about it too.I like the manga more but I just can't imagine myself dropping the anime.It's just like you said,I also feel obligated to anything with Toriyama's label on it.But that's just how I feel,you're free to do as you like.
Why don't you use the term "continuity" then? :D
I'll try from now on :thumbup:
That's the spirit! :clap:
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DBZ Macky wrote:
RehBeh wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: He is, its just that no one holds him in high esteem, even in-universe.
He must feel awful. Being a God and no one respects him. Just sad.
And Zamasu thought he had it bad. Fuckin' edgy Kaios thinking about "Justice" and shit just because they got strong by chance.

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Post by RehBeh » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:21 pm

zamasu121 wrote:
RehBeh wrote:
zamasu121 wrote:
It is mostly the anime that gets criticized, while any flaws in the manga gets a free pass.
That's not true. I've seen equal criticism on both of them.
Not really. here is an example:in episode 57 trunks got 1 hit on ssr black, that caused people to criticize the anime non stop, but when manga ssj2 trunks was hitting ssr black and causing him pain, only me and like 2 other people mentioned it.
Didn't he took him by suprise in both? Also in the manga he landed two punches before Black put him down.
Again, manga gets criticized too. There are various examples if you look in other forums/yt comments. After all both have pros and cons.
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DBZ Macky wrote:
RehBeh wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: He is, its just that no one holds him in high esteem, even in-universe.
He must feel awful. Being a God and no one respects him. Just sad.
And Zamasu thought he had it bad. Fuckin' edgy Kaios thinking about "Justice" and shit just because they got strong by chance.

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Post by MyNiggaGoku » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:27 pm

zamasu121 wrote:
RehBeh wrote:
zamasu121 wrote:
It is mostly the anime that gets criticized, while any flaws in the manga gets a free pass.
That's not true. I've seen equal criticism on both of them.
Not really. here is an example:in episode 57 trunks got 1 hit on ssr black, that caused people to criticize the anime non stop, but when manga ssj2 trunks was hitting ssr black and causing him pain, only me and like 2 other people mentioned it.
I think the manga & the anime had equal collected criticism,but targeted criticism tends to differ.What do I mean by that?
Take Episode 5 from the anime.It was heavily criticized for its horrible animation and fighting sequences.No criticism was made to the manga's correspondent fight.Now take a chapter for which the manga was heavily criticized,chapter 13.The criticism was huge for various reasons(for the return of SSG,for SSB's nerfing & for making Hit weaker)but the correspondent portion of the anime was loved by most of the fans for its badassery(SSB Kaio-Ken etc.).
That were some huge parts of targeted criticism.Your example feels like nitpicking(not neccessarily from you,but from the sides that complained in general)because it's not something people will refer to when arguing against 1 of the 2 mediums.The manga & the anime get criticized.A lot.The thing is they don't get criticised for the same reasons,but for vastly different ones.
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