Just because they could, doesnt mean they should, thats like saying "Goku could have went SSJ3 and finished Majin Vegeta fast, or Krillin using Taioken + kienzan at Freeza and a lot more that could have finished the arc in an instant, but that doesnt make a good story telling so they didnt do it"TBMx wrote:It said he's nearly at his limit. He could still use Kaioken, and did, yet by your logic all he had to do was blindside the great ape once and get the tail off. Couldn't do it though. Even with Kaioken.Even if he cant transform it doesnt change the fact that he's already in a lot of trouble, thats basically saying he's fcked either way.
If he can easily go inside his mouth and spam ki blasts why didn't he do it in the Saiyan Saga? Oh right he couldn't.Goku was already in a state where he would lose easily to Vegeta, transform or not. Similar direction? from where?
I dont really see how going ape will help him, too much blindsides, tail weakness, giant targets, can easily go inside his mouth and enjoy spamming ki blasts there, too much.
And the fact that it was already portrayed as a formidable threat that SS4 Goku couldn't beat without assistance, shows that the abilities and weaknesses of the great ape is entirely dependent on the writer. The writer can portray it as they did in GT and earlier in DBZ and have him be too quick to blindside without a lot of difficulty. What the writer can't do however is portray Kaioken as having a stamina weakness as Goku's already been shown spamming it.
Or at all.Then its settled, a Vegeta and Goku fight wont happen anytime soon.
That was retconned. When Vegeta was staying up and lifting weights at night at Whis's place he said he wont lose to Goku.Besides that wouldnt matter to him anymore, the guy accepted that Goku is #1.
Yes he couldnt do it anymore becaue he was at his limit, Goku's body was at the point where Yajirobe's simple tap had him screaming in pain.
What are you trying to point out now exactly? are we talking in universe or out universe? he couldnt spam ki blasts anymore because was already near his limits, the only thing left for him to do was to rely on the spirit bomb. If we're talking about what the writers will do now instead of the giant ape having tons of weaknesses then what makes you so certain that they'll do the same thing when Vegeta decides to go ape? more so now that Goku's more experienced when it comes to fighting giant enemies, he made Bergamo look like an idiot when he grew, if a giant ape Vegeta comes into play and he for some reason turns into an idiot that doesnt know how to put it down then that will turn out as bad writting. Thats probably the reason in universe why Vegeta doesnt want to rely on a half assed form like the giant ape, it has too many weaknesses. Another major weakness is the giant ape only adds their power/strength, in a fight against SSJBKK which amplifies everything including speed, ape Vegeta wouldnt have the speed to keep up, more so if he's a giant target that has a lot of blindsides.
I'm talking about the end of Z where there was no implication that Vegeta wanted to surpass Goku again and went back on his words.
will it happen ? who knows, but even if it doesn't, we got a lot more than we thought we'd ever get so it won't be that bad if it doesn't. Out of all the fans to benifit from the modern DB revival, I think the Vegeta fans got the most out of it.
