Shouldn't Vegetto have had armor?

[z_cherub]

My headcanon/theory regarding Vegetto looking exactly the same as in the Buu saga is that because a Potara Fusion character is a separate entity to those two that make him up, the looks that Goku and Vegeta had back during Buu played a role creating Vegetto for the first time, and after that Vegetto would have the same outfit no matter what the two are wearing if they fuse again because they're going back to an already established entity with established looks. Hopefully my wording isn't confusing and you see where I'm getting at.

But that's just an overcomplicated justification I came up with. I wish they not only took into account the looks of Vegeta and Goku at the time but kept the RoF/U6 tournament outfits of them so we'd get a brand new Vegetto outfit made out of those.

That's where I'm at as well. That's my made up reason, though I shouldn't have to make things make sense for Toei - I fully acknowledge that whatever I tell myself, it was simply an oversight or a design choice... Nothing story/continuity-based.

[mute_proxy]

Why? Vegito took Goku's clothes and Vegeta's colors (as did in Z), it's the same as saying Vegito should've had Goku's shoes instead of Vegeta's.

[Rubens]

Following the logic that Vegetto's design consists of a mixture between Goku and Vegeta's outfits, he could eventually keep the armor; although, upon reflection, the fact that he already keeps Vegeta's boots, gloves and the main color would make the armor an unnecessary addition, seeing that what he keeps from Goku is mostly the gi outfit (and the orange switches to the undershirt). I suppose the anime made a good call on destroying Vegeta's armor before the fusion to prevent that, unlike the manga, despite not being a very relevant detail.

However, to be honest, I think Vegetto looks better without the armor; but I have to agree with others that seeing Vegetto with a combination of the RoF outfits would have been interesting (despite that probably the result would have been the same Vegetto only with a dark grey gi, rather than blue).

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I don't support Jinzoningen MULE's tone, but he's changed my mind on this matter. I thought it was strange that the design for Vegetto was exactly the same, but if the only things Vegetto took from Vegeta in the first place are his gloves and boots (two things he also has in the Zamasu arc), then it makes sense that his design should look the same.

I honestly thought it was used because that was Vegitto's official design, kind of like a stock reference for him since he doesn't have an alternate outside that situation where Vegeta did have armor. I also considered it could have been the fault on Vegeta having the armor in the first place. Because in the Buu arc I assumed he got rid of it, which was why I questioned it being back in BoG. However, with the rationality that Vegitto is just Goku's gi inverted for Vegeta's coloration and keeping his boots & gloves is just to show his dominant influence in the fusion, then it makes sense why he doesn't have armor. Armor would just overshadow the half of Vegito that is reflecttng "Kakarot" because Goku doesn't wear armor. So that makes sense.

[emperior]

I don't support Jinzoningen MULE's tone, but he's changed my mind on this matter. I thought it was strange that the design for Vegetto was exactly the same, but if the only things Vegetto took from Vegeta in the first place are his gloves and boots (two things he also has in the Zamasu arc), then it makes sense that his design should look the same.

I honestly thought it was used because that was Vegitto's official design, kind of like a stock reference for him since he doesn't have an alternate outside that situation where Vegeta did have armor. I also considered it could have been the fault on Vegeta having the armor in the first place. Because in the Buu arc I assumed he got rid of it, which was why I questioned it being back in BoG. However, with the rationality that Vegitto is just Goku's gi inverted for Vegeta's coloration and keeping his boots & gloves is just to show his dominant influence in the fusion, then it makes sense why he doesn't have armor. Armor would just overshadow the half of Vegito that is reflecttng "Kakarot" because Goku doesn't wear armor. So that makes sense.

I agree with you. And if Vegetto had armor, he would basically look exactly like Vegeta which wouldn't make sense. He's already wearing Vegeta's boots and gloves and his color is blue, it only makes sense that he's wearing Goku's gi. I think that's what Toriyama thought when he decided Vegetto was going to reappear in his old clothes, though I appreciate the fact Toei destroyed Vegeta's armor so it's even easier to accept the fact Vegetto still looked like that.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I agree with you. And if Vegetto had armor, he would basically look exactly like Vegeta which wouldn't make sense. He's already wearing Vegeta's boots and gloves and his color is blue, it only makes sense that he's wearing Goku's gi. I think that's what Toriyama thought when he decided Vegetto was going to reappear in his old clothes, though I appreciate the fact Toei destroyed Vegeta's armor so it's even easier to accept the fact Vegetto still looked like that.

Yeah. Even though Goku's undershirt is already blue, I figured they inverted it because Vegeta's main color was that same shade of blue but without the Gi, there wouldn't be anything from Goku in the fusion. (Maybe outside the 2 fringes of hair, as Vegeta doesn't have bangs). Though Vegeta seems to dominate like 95% of the fusion which I don't know if that specifically makes sense or not. Also the fact that they colored Vegito's hair brown as well (which seems to be something Toei really pushed to sneak in on Vegeta).

[Kunzait_83]

I'm just gonna drop this in here and note that I think this fan made Vegetto design is pretty damn awesome and would've been spot on perfect for use in Super. Kudos to the artist.

[Grimlock]

Yeah, this is what Future Trunks saga Vegetto should look like. If he needed to return, at least bring something new, a new outfit would be awesome, and a merge of Movie 15's clothes would be even better indeed. But instead...

[dbgtFO]

Yeah Vegetto should have had armor, it's not like Vegeta lost all his armor, only half, afterall.
It's fair to say the only thing his outfit takes from Vegeta are the gloves and boots. The gi is just an inversion of the gi Goku is wearing.
Would have wanted an updated gi and of course I didn't want them to change back to their Z era outfits in the first place either, but Toriyama and or Toei reverted them back to their iconic looks, for God knows what reason.

[Lord Beerus]

I can't believe I just spotted this thread now. I actually made a point about this several months ago.

But, yeah. Vegetto totally should have armor.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Yeah, he definitely should have had armor, but I guess they were going for the nostalgia thing and made him look the same, but it was still enjoyable so no big deal.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm just gonna drop this in here and note that I think this fan made Vegetto design is pretty damn awesome and would've been spot on perfect for use in Super. Kudos to the artist.

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Just to piggyback off of this, there was another Future Trunks specific alternative outfit that I came across that would have been perfect for Vegetto:

[darkclaw89]

Vegetto's clothes have always been Goku's Gi with a pallet leaning towards Vegeta. If you think he should have armor, you're fundamentally misunderstanding Vegetto's design.

I joined just so I could say that you are tone deaf, Jinzoningen MULE. Telling someone they are "fundamentally misunderstanding" something you are not an expert on is totally a personal attack (and a conceited one at that). You could have approached this as a difference of opinion and explained your view, but instead you chose to be an a**hole. And then you tried to pass off your diagram as "scientific" LOL. How hilarious. You need to humble up.

As for the discussion, i agree with z_cherub's point of view. The concept of Potara fusion is all about.. well, fusion. That includes the physical appearance and clothing. Here's a breakdown of the clothing for Vegetto.

Uniquely Vegeta's:

• Gloves
• boots

Uniquely Goku's:

• Belt
• undershirt (with colour change to Goku's dominant gi colour)

Goku + Vegeta Mixed:

• The main gi - Goku's form and Vegeta's colour
• the Potara earings (one from each of their ears)

For me, this is quite convincing that the in-universe logic for fusion is that the fused warrior's clothing (and everything else) is a mix of the two contributors. This logic means that Vegetto's clothing should change with that of Goku's and Vegeta's. It's a shame that Super didn't maintain that logic (but that kind of inconsistency is common in DB). In addition to the amazing artwork above, here is another cool fan art of what it could have looked like (though this is during the Namek arc, it might have been something similar).

[JulieYBM]

Shouldn't Vegetto's clothes look like shit because he is only ever formed when Gokuu and Vegeta look like shit?

[Grimlock]

It's a shame that Super didn't maintain that logic (but that kind of inconsistency is common in DB)

It isn't common. It's just Dragon Ball Super being Dragon Ball Super.

In Prison Planet saga, Vegetto's clothes follows the exact same logic originally applied. He wears Vegeta's gloves and boots and retains Goku's clothes but using Vegeta's color scheme.

Spoiler:

The same goes to Xeno Vegetto. Xeno Vegeta's gloves and boots, Xeno Goku clothes with Xeno Vegeta's color scheme.

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[darkclaw89]

Shouldn't Vegetto's clothes look like shit because he is only ever formed when Gokuu and Vegeta look like shit?

I would think so!

It's a shame that Super didn't maintain that logic (but that kind of inconsistency is common in DB)

It isn't common. It's just Dragon Ball Super being Dragon Ball Super.

In Prison Planet saga, Vegetto's clothes follows the exact same logic originally applied. He wears Vegeta's gloves and boots and retains Goku's clothes but using Vegeta's color scheme.

Spoiler:

The same goes to Xeno Vegetto. Xeno Vegeta's gloves and boots, Xeno Goku clothes with Xeno Vegeta's color scheme.

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Fair enough! I guess I was speaking of inconsistencies more generally in the main series, but point taken.

[Matches Malone]

It's just Dragon Ball Super being Dragon Ball Super.

No matter how you try to justify something, this is usually the conclusion you end up with. I really hope once Super returns it'll stop being so inconsistent. I understand with a story as long as DB's you're going to eventually end up with some things that don't line up, but Super is just ridicules. Like many of its inconsistencies, a very simple change could've prevented this one. Instead of breaking off part of Vegeta's armor, they should've just broken it off completely, resulting in him looking closer to his Buu arc self.

[Vegeta_Sama]

Well, the Vegito Blue toys needed to have the same clothes as the old Z ones, otherwise children would have had trouble recognizing him smh I hate how the visual aspect of db is dictated purely by marketing [I hate using this word since Masako kinda turned it into a normie meme, but it's true lmao]

[SSJgogeto]

Shouldn't Vegetto's clothes look like shit because he is only ever formed when Gokuu and Vegeta look like shit?

Exactly.

With that said, in the manga the clothes wew relatively unharmed, right? Then Vegetto should have an armor in there (I don't like the design with the armor in the fanarts, though).

[Koitsukai]

Even if no armor, at least the color Vegeta provides to the fusion's outfit should not have been JUST blue, because there is a lot of white and yellow in his upper body. It would've been an interesting creative choice on Toyo's part but Vegito's inclusion was just fanservice in the manga where they didn't even bother to break Vegeta's armor or make his participation of any value whatsoever unlike the anime where he at least helped weaken Zamasu.

Going back to the Z clothing is something I'm really against. I still wonder who chooses what outfit Goku and Vegeta wear in the manga. In the anime of course Toei will go for the classic one, but I don't think Toriyama actually tells Toyo what clothes to give to the characters.