Kanassa wrote:It's simple. Vegeta and Trunks's attack combined cover a larger surface area, so their attack covered most of Zamasu's attack; couple that with the fact that Zamasu wasn't really taking them seriously then and of course the beam pushed the ball back instead of piercing it. In Goku's case, there were two factors, his kamehameha covered a smaller surface area, as well as the added bonus of Zamasu applying much more pressure on his end. It's the different between pushing a block near the same width of an object into said object, and pushing a needle into it. And again, Zamasu is caught by surprised (Look at his expression the moment the Kamehameha pierces the attack).
this explanation is just a big headcanon with the surface thing... Zamasu caught off guard with Vegeta and Trunks yes, but in Goku'' case they were both "pushing", yet somewhow and not by this surface shit you're talking about but more because it''s Goku and he had to win the beam battle, Goku won! Remember how big Vegeta''s Big Bang attack was directed at Cell? So it should've been smaller to have a better or effective impact or Gohan's kamehameha against perfect Cell should've been more denser rather than being it bigger as we saw which overwhelmed his kamehameha? Even if in both cases Zamasu was caught off guard, the fact that Vegeta and Trunks kamehameha wasn't even effective as Goku's makes no sense at all.
Kanassa wrote:And then Goku goes to attack Zamasu... Only to be easily caught, until he whips out a move Zamasu has never seen him use. Once again, catching him off guard and delivering a major blow.
How many times is he gonna caught off guard now? You''re just replying with your made up headcanons, until it isnt explained it is your headcanon. Even if he is distracted, a fushed body should withstand that many blows from a weaker opponent which we have seen time and time again... You can't really call if off guard when you''re struggling as you''re fully focused which wasn't the case at all wit Trunks and Vegeta really... even worse his kamehameha damages Zamasu while earlier the gallic gun did absolutely nothing.
Kanassa wrote:So, they do exactly what I said the show was doing? That's the point. Zamasu's madness is so deep, his self-righteous nature so strong that he can't see the irony of his actions, which the show constantly pokes fun at; because it's doing it on purpose. Vegeta points out the hipocrasy. Even BLACK makes fun of Zamasu for this. Trunks and Mai point out the flaws of his 'justice'. And Vegitto makes jabs at Merged Zaasu around the subject for his whole fight. Fuck, if that's not enough there's a whole scene dedicated to GOWASU EXPLAINING IT ALL to Goku and Co.
It's more flaw in his character rather then the irony, yes he is self-centered individual but that doesn't mean whatever he is saying makes sense of that his character isn't flawed that is the point. Zamasu is saying that shit? But he is doing it as well.. well that's pretty boring, imagine if he realized his hypocrisy, it would''ve made for a more interesting and complex villain yet it all remains surface level .
Freeza9000 wrote:There are numerous mortals shown to repeat this cycle of harming each other so it's pretty hard to pinpoint where Zamasu's hatred for mortals started. A mad scientist created a much of robots/Artificial humans (not to mention kidnapped teenagers and forcefully add cybernetic adjustments to their being) to kill Goku because his precious army was defeated which lead to entire populations of Earth being destroyed and those same artificial humans turned their backs on Gero to kill him and massacre the Earth in order to quench their satisfaction. Even fucking Cell selfishly violated the gods taboo of time traveling in order to attain his so called perfection and other characters did that too. Boo also killed numerous beings across the universe for millions of years and nearly killed all the Kaioshins. Watagash infected many evil beings and causing destruction of many civilizations according to Jaco. Frost in Universe 6 deceived others into believing his supposed heroicness and secretly caused wars and ended them, thus causing many lives to be lost in the process. DB does show a plethora of mortals that are prone to repeat the cycle of violence. It's true that that isn't the only things mortals are capable of, but in Zamasu's case, it's generalizing. So don't act like Zamasu came to hate mortals and got 'pushed over the edge" because of just seeing random Barbarians killing each other. Hell, even the show acknowledges Zamasu's flawed hatred.
Which gets back to my point, you''re pointing out the evil done in the universe but what about the good deeds and human beings dealing with such things? Did he overlook that watching mortals from centuries? Or did he just not wanna deal with it? Or was it that he didn't care about that aspect? It's those questions that arises.. so all we see is him being midway and his hatred for the barbarians fuelling those questions[/quote]
Freeza9000 wrote:Except the point was that he saw something in Goku that he deems greater than the gods. The fact that a mere mortal was able to reach godhood, rival gods, and can potentially become a Hakaishin himself and is disgusting casual towards other gods was what made Zamasu all the more interested in Goku and his potential.
That wasn't even the point, the point was that even though he was interested in his body, the mere fact that he never showed disgust in having to do so even for his own sake while he hated mortals for centuries is a missed opportunity in his character. It's like ooh mortal , you are interesting, let's switch whatever. instead of i hate doing this to myself but he caught my attention which makes me hate mortals and gods even more in doing so.
Freeza9000 wrote:Except that not everything needs to be spoon-fed to us audience when it is already made so painfully obvious why this is the case.
All we know is that Zamasu has his ki, but how does that ki come into play? Where and how did he learn to use the super saiyan transformation in the first place and how did he come to the conclusion of how to reach this SSJ Pink transformation? This has nothing to do with spoon-feeding but providing essential questions even dating back to how SSB works and how Vegeta achieved it
Freeza9000 wrote:You didn't really attempt to counter what I said, all you did was state that powerscaling was the arc's biggest criticism which is something I already fucking know.
Because that was also the fucking point? Especially since the Black arc and overall really in the manga is more consistent with the fights and power scalling... which is hard to watch, i guess this guy explains it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaYjoaXjvv0 watch 5:30
Freeza9000 wrote:Except it's his exaggerated narcissism that makes him stand out as a character and really entertaining. Even to the point where his only comrade and partner in crime is literally his other self from another timeline and even hugging his other self.
That exaggerated narcissim is pretty much all we see from him which could be interesting in the beginning but starts to feel boring after a while... that isn't anything entertaining, unlike what i said what could have made this character more dynamic which would result into being more entertaining to watch him