Kale or Broly - the worse motivation

[aravinthan]

Kale, she had a valid and reasonable cause for hulking out and hit others. She is totally shy and introvert and I think Caulifa is the only person who she can talk with.
Broly, his mentality, ptsd (kind of), his races last hope, a stupid king, blah blah blah everything was ok. Broly still remembers the fact that Goku cried when he was days older after coming out of incubator. Thats where I don't like Broly. If he had that taruma and stuff when he is mature, it will be better than Kales reason

So if your friend talks to another friend without you, you question your self worth and rage out?

Childhood trauma is much more likely to screw a person up actually so I dont know what else to say about that. Of course we dont know why Kale is how sahe is though.

Already mentioned this in a different thread but she has all the symptoms associated with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPS). There's numerous things that can cause it, but most of 'em being too mature-themed for Super.

What kind of logic is that?

The question is about whose motivation is worse and I stated that kale is not worst but Broly is worse motivated. I'm not telling that I'm ok if I have that kind of personality. By your logic, is it Ok to shout a person's name and recklessly hit them if they are similar to a kid who stole your candy when you are 30 MONTHS OLD??

[GodKaio-Ken]

So if your friend talks to another friend without you, you question your self worth and rage out?

Childhood trauma is much more likely to screw a person up actually so I dont know what else to say about that. Of course we dont know why Kale is how sahe is though.

Already mentioned this in a different thread but she has all the symptoms associated with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPS). There's numerous things that can cause it, but most of 'em being too mature-themed for Super.

What kind of logic is that?

The question is about whose motivation is worse and I stated that kale is not worst but Broly is worse motivated. I'm not telling that I'm ok if I have that kind of personality. By your logic, is it Ok to shout a person's name and recklessly hit them if they are similar to a kid who stole your candy when you are 30 MONTHS OLD??

You dont have to be so defensive I'm not trying to rip your thoughts apart I just wanted to add another perdpective to the discussion.

Both are bad as I've said.

[GigaDrill]

They're both really bad but I give it to Broly for being angry at the baby that cried by his bed rather than the ruthless man that tried to stab him to death

[Anime Kitten]

They're both understandable from a certain viewpoint. Broli was just traumatized by the (apparently) constant crying from Gokū he heard at so young an age. Kale seems to have an emotional attachment to Caulifla, the one person she trusts, that caused her to flip out when she thought Gokū was taking her away.

Personally, I'd say Broli was worse if only because, as was pointed out in this thread, he didn't additionally direct his anger at anyone else - only Gokū. I don't remember his backstory that well, though, so I may be misguided.

[Ilikepictures-meh]

Well, Kale clearly has a severe inferiority complex, easily crippled by insults like Magetta; though she seems to have developed a dislike of people in general. She's extremely close to Caulifla, with their interactions and the value she places on Caulifla's word is very telling. It makes perfect sense that she becomes so fearful when anybody comes close to Caulifla, since to someone with such a low opinion of themselves will easily see anybody getting along with their loved one as someone who'll make said loved one realise how worthless they are.

In this instance, not only did Goku take a shot at her only trace of self-worth by telling her to stop 'bothering' him and Caulifla (With Caulifla saying nothing in Kale's defence), what happens when Kale asks Caulifla (Who so far has given us the impression of being so close to Kale that Kale calls her 'Sis) if she really is a burden? Caulifla brushes her off with a look that says it all. All at once, Kale's inferiority complex is yelling that her greatest fears have come true, all because of Goku's involvement. If only she had accessed that form Caulifla wanted her to use earlier.

But then after Jiren punches the Super Saiyan out of her, Caulifla is instantly there to reassure Kale and calm her fears.

Pretty solid motivation.

I don't think either motivation is bad, just that Broly's is incredibly awkward. Like, out of all the things in his past to trigger him, it's the one aspect of his backstory that has nothing to do with his trauma.

People tend to forget that Kale already transformed once, because she was angry at Cabba. This kind of reasoning is flimsy at best.

Yeah, seems like you forgot that she snapped when she thought Cabba was going to basically replace her due to "how close" Caulifla and Cabba was getting in her mind.

[Xeztin]

Kales was jeously over Caulifa and Broly was a tormented soul of pure rage that's had his past haunt him from birth and manipulated by his father. Neither may not have the best story but Broly was definately a lot scarier and intemidating. I just want to scream at my Tv and tell Kale to get over her girl crush

[Torturephile]

One was a man with little self-control whose father had to keep him in check all the time, whose power fueled his deranged antics, and whose power was stimulated presence of a strong warrior of his own kind.

The other is a young girl with self-confidence and inferiority complex issues who has to be taken under the wing of a gang leader, has a very affectionate attachment to said gang leader to the point of committing acts of insanity just to get others away from her, and is also fueled by her own power, which appears to swing her personality into opposite of what she normally is.

Broly was always insane; Kale is a bipolar on steroids.

[jjgp1112]

Broly, by far. All of the shit that went down when he was born - the stabbing, the planet destruction, etc...that's all Paragus' motivation, not Broly's. Broly is simply his tool, whose destructive power is driven by insanity caused by...a baby crying next to him. If Paragus didn't control his power he would freely rampage the galaxy regardless, so there's no angst over that, either.

[TheZFighter]

Have to say I really don't care for either of them.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Well, Kale clearly has a severe inferiority complex, easily crippled by insults like Magetta; though she seems to have developed a dislike of people in general. She's extremely close to Caulifla, with their interactions and the value she places on Caulifla's word is very telling. It makes perfect sense that she becomes so fearful when anybody comes close to Caulifla, since to someone with such a low opinion of themselves will easily see anybody getting along with their loved one as someone who'll make said loved one realise how worthless they are.

In this instance, not only did Goku take a shot at her only trace of self-worth by telling her to stop 'bothering' him and Caulifla (With Caulifla saying nothing in Kale's defence), what happens when Kale asks Caulifla (Who so far has given us the impression of being so close to Kale that Kale calls her 'Sis) if she really is a burden? Caulifla brushes her off with a look that says it all. All at once, Kale's inferiority complex is yelling that her greatest fears have come true, all because of Goku's involvement. If only she had accessed that form Caulifla wanted her to use earlier.

But then after Jiren punches the Super Saiyan out of her, Caulifla is instantly there to reassure Kale and calm her fears.

Pretty solid motivation.

I don't think either motivation is bad, just that Broly's is incredibly awkward. Like, out of all the things in his past to trigger him, it's the one aspect of his backstory that has nothing to do with his trauma.

People tend to forget that Kale already transformed once, because she was angry at Cabba. This kind of reasoning is flimsy at best.

Yeah, seems like you forgot that she snapped when she thought Cabba was going to basically replace her due to "how close" Caulifla and Cabba was getting in her mind.

Exactly. Why did this never come out before other than convenient plot timing.

[Nano]

Kale is an attention whore. Broly is literally insane. As for motivation, they're both retarded.

[Faisal Shourov]

Both have shitty 'motivation'. However I enjoyed Broly for being original. Kale is a poor ripoff and I do not enjoy lame tributes. Fanservice is a cringy and has plagued the anime industry for decades

[mahakaishin1991]

Broly was so utterly one dimensional and never developed

Kale's issues stem from her low self worth and she has genuinely developed thanks to being tested through the tournament and in a matter of perhaps 30 minutes of screen time done more than Broly did in 2 movies and all his game what if scenarios.

While Kale was bloody unbearable at first, the direction shes gone in since the whole pride troopers vs kale/caulifla scene makes me confident shes done with that, and will continue to develop

[IntangibleFancy]

Eh...They're both plausible but pretty awkward. I can understand them both.

Off topic: I really don't understand why people think Vegeta should be Broly's trigger. "Your father was a huge tool but because he's already dead we're going to plot revenge on you for what he did!" It's just as bad as the "crying as a baby" thing. It was very poor and unoriginal writing on Paragus' part.