supersaiyanZero wrote:FortuneSSJ wrote:When I read the title I thought you were talking about the one in Buu arc with Mighty Mask vs C18 vs Satan vs the other two guys 99% of this fanbase don't remember their names...
Goku/Vegeta vs Universe 9 is much better than that to be honest, and this isn't a good comparison.
ToP = 20+ episodes of fighting and still counting.
That fight = Not even 3 minutes...
For you to make such comparison, I don't think you know what you're talking about. This would only make sense if both battle royals had around the same length.
You can compare that scene to the GoDs battle royal in DBS manga, and as expected Toyotaro delivered it.
It's not hard to make a short fight look cool, but to do a Tournament with non-stop fighting that lasts 20+episodes, while keeping art/animation consistency and still delivering memorable scenes, now that's really hard. Truly a milestone, I must say, because I'm sure not every studio can pull it off.
I'm not complaining that they aren't bringing us A+ level animation for over 20+ episodes consistently. People like you grossly misinterpret my post because you're rushing to blindly come to Super's defense about
anything. For you to say that Goku/Vegeta vs Universe 9 is much better implies to me that
you don't know what you're talking about. In that simple 2 minute scene there was excellent choreography, a sense of atmosphere, characters are clearly expressive and you can see the stakes in their movements/faces, the hard hitting blows have more impact than most of Super's tenure let alone that fight you were mentioning. (and I'm not saying that fight was piss poor, mind you. it was decent by Super's standards.)
And for you to say that Super reached a MILESTONE? Are you kidding me? 20+ episodes of poor fights mixed in with insane amounts of exposition and 2 minute introduction/backstories to try and develop characters is nothing short of poor planning. In this 2 minute clip we don't really get to know who these Namekians are, but we already have more of a feeling of what their convictions are and what they are fighting for, Frieza/Dodoria/Zarbon's personalities come through subtly enough for us to pick up on who
those characters are, and there is a real sense of what's at stake here.
Lord Beerus wrote:This is not an apt comparison in the slightest. It is nicely directed, I'll give it that.
IGhostUlt wrote:What a horrible comparison. That fight is like what 2 minutes? If you expect the whole top to have animation like that then you're in for a rude awakening.
It's not a bad comparision. It's an example of what an all out brawl can and should look like. You can zero in on universes and deliver something similar - and by the way, I don't expect the animation to be like that all the time. Hell, I don't expect all the fights in the ToP to be like this at all. There are many more things at work here in this scene than just the fluid animation, there is atmosphere (When the Namek gets serious the background turns in to a flame like color to express the seriousness of the situation he is in and his reaction. It's little artistic designs like that that really bring the scene to life), there are good character moments that subtly reveal to us who they are even if they aren't all that important, there is a tone to the situation that matches the circumstance they are in, etc.
buutenks wrote:supersaiyanZero wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU4L_ILKHZA
It's a very interesting comparison because both are trying to convey a larger scale battle, yet the one animated over 2 decades earlier..well I'll let you draw your own conclusions. You can argue that the ToP is (in theory) on a much larger scale, but you can still scale down the battles to include more participants with interesting choreography instead of what Super has done..which is pretty much another tournament just
disguised as a battle royale. It's becoming increasingly frustrating to watch and what I don't understand is how someone who makes the decisions at Toei can't see the difference in quality and the only conclusion I can come up with is that..they don't care?
Oh look, repeated frames, and fodder enemies that no one cares about.
A battle royal is when everyone dukes it out in open field. Ofc ToP isnt like that, its team battles. Since it isnt one on one it is universe vs universe. A true battle royal, would have needed to be so that every character is an enemy to each other. basically 80 character that all want or need to defeat each other, not defeat teams.
And i dont see how that video is awesome. You have got to be joking. There is nothing epic about it, just randoms getting their ass kicked by slightly less namekian fodder, with Zarbon, Dodoria and freaking Freeza watching, who could vaporize all of them in a blink of an eye.
Fights need to be epic, u cant realistically show a battle royal, since that would mean, constantly seeing all the fighters fight from afar, and everyone would just throw random ki blasts n stuff around and people would randomly fall off the arena.
So far, i think they did a good job, even tho there were some not so interesting episodes. But what is good about this arc, is that it is very rewatchable for me. Since it isnt mystery or what not.
Repeated frames and fodder enemies? You mean, the
entirety of the ToP arc? Are you joking?
sangofe wrote:supersaiyanZero wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU4L_ILKHZA
It's a very interesting comparison because both are trying to convey a larger scale battle, yet the one animated over 2 decades earlier..well I'll let you draw your own conclusions. You can argue that the ToP is (in theory) on a much larger scale, but you can still scale down the battles to include more participants with interesting choreography instead of what Super has done..which is pretty much another tournament just
disguised as a battle royale. It's becoming increasingly frustrating to watch and what I don't understand is how someone who makes the decisions at Toei can't see the difference in quality and the only conclusion I can come up with is that..they don't care?
There's absolutely nothing execptional about this "battle royale" as you call it.
Edit: I knew I had seen your nick before. You're the guy who likes to shit on Super:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=40551&p=1426645#p1426645 So no surprise this post comes from you.
"Nothing exceptional": It was well animated, directed, choreographed, written, moved the story forward, subtly showed us character traits for us to start forming opinions on them, and a treat to watch even though the characters fighting didn't have that much meaning to the overall story. And yes, I have my criticisms of Super. So what? I can acknowledge it's improvements but it still has a long way for me to go to even be considered a successor to the series.