PFM18 wrote:The idea that RoF invalidates the BoG fight between Goku and Beerus and the conversations that happened between them, makes absolutely no sense.
You're completely missing the point. I'm not saying it invalidates/retcons them, but it does
override them. As both movies demonstrate, Goku absorbed the power of Super Saiyan God into his Super Saiyan form and would later be able to utilize that same power "without changing form" at all according to the supplemental materials for
Resurrection 'F'. As confirmed by Episode 24's dialogue, the same is obviously true for the anime. Goku remarking on Vegeta's growth is still entirely intact because Vegeta never transformed or absorbed the power of Super Saiyan God during BoG and had a lot of catching up to do as a result.
The only thing that's never quite clearly explained is how the Saiyans learned to adapt that power into their base forms, and the movie doesn't go into detail on this either. It's still precisely what happened though.
PFM18 wrote:
The movie material is overwritten by the actual DBS series and it is very vague with the wording anyway
The actual Japanese wording
isn't vague at all, and those materials for the movie provide further context for Blue's description which is present in both the film and its TV adaptation. Goku's dialogue isn't suddenly going to mean something completely different in
Super, nor is that possible in the first place because the phrasing itself is too specific in its intended meaning. That part wasn't overwritten at all within the RoF arc.
I'm not sure how many different ways I can repeat this. I
can make definitive statements about it because the statement I'm referring to is definitive in itself.
PFM18 wrote:
The assumption that Goku was comparing bases is definitely a rational assumption.
It's a totally nonsensical assumption given Goku's phrasing, and I can assure you that the intended meaning of Goku's statement wasn't "Wow Vegeta, you're so strong I almost didn't recognize you... but only if we're using the same form!" -- that isn't even remotely colloquially coherent. The base Vegeta in that scene was unrecognizable to him in general, not """unrecognizable""" only on the condition that Goku doesn't transform (whatever that means).
PFM18 wrote:Besides, if Goku and Vegeta's bases were stronger than SSG then the U6 arc would have completely invalidated the BoG arc and Beerus's intrigue with the power of a SSG if Cabba, Magetta, and Frost can all compete with this base that is stronger than SSG. They were all weaker than Goku and Vegeta's SSJ so they were weaker than SSG, and Beerus's intrigue still makes sense.
People have already addressed the U6 arc and its relation to the retcon in this very thread, so I'm not sure why you would even bring this up unless you're just being deliberately obtuse about it.