Replacing Ultra Instinct "Omen" With Super Saiyan Blue Evolution
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Replacing Ultra Instinct "Omen" With Super Saiyan Blue Evolution
Super Saiyan Blue Evolution, the result of the form of Super Saiyan Blue reawakening itself into something so much more potent in a very similar fashion to what Super Saiyan Blue Goku had went through in order to have gone to awakening, an extremely-taxing to say at the very least, new form called Ultra Instinct "Omen", now if in the duel between Goku and Jiren taking place in the overly cheesy and very lackluster Dragon Ball Super Television Special called This is the Ultimate Battle in all the Universes! Son Goku vs Jiren!!, one in which Goku would have been able to have convinced Vegeta to have meagerly donated some of his very own Genki into the Universe 7 Spirit Bomb this time around, would the spent Super Saiyan Blue: 20X Kaioken Goku only narrowly surviving his own Universe 7 Spirit Bomb and then having been able to escape the brink of death by awakening and having been completely revitalized by Super Saiyan Blue Evolution instead of only just briefly by Ultra Instinct "Omen", have a huge impact on the rest of the Universe Survival Saga if Son Goku had basically awoken not into Ultra Instinct "Omen", but Super Saiyan Blue Evolution?
Re: Replacing Ultra Instinct "Omen" With Super Saiyan Blue Evolution
God no.
SSBE is probably the worst transformation in the entire series. Omen is beautifully designed, why would you even consider it?
SSBE is probably the worst transformation in the entire series. Omen is beautifully designed, why would you even consider it?
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Hell no. UI Omen is a superior form. Why replace it with a weaker transformation? Not to mention the transformation bombed in terms of reception. Nobody wants to see SSBE.
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I don't care for Blue Evolution. While I think the idea of Vegeta and Gokuu having separate transformations is an interesting idea I think that they should both have the Secret of Selfishness.
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Re: Replacing Ultra Instinct "Omen" With Super Saiyan Blue Evolution
Both are fantastic transformations but it makes perfect sense for Vegeta to have Evolution and Goku to have UI. It fits the respective characters very well and it fives each of them their own unique transformation rather than one ultimately copying the other.
Leave it as is. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Re: Replacing Ultra Instinct "Omen" With Super Saiyan Blue Evolution
Speak for yourself. Simply because you don't want to see it doesn't mean everybody doesn't want to see it.Kaiosama wrote:Hell no. UI Omen is a superior form. Why replace it with a weaker transformation? Not to mention the transformation bombed in terms of reception. Nobody wants to see SSBE.
But I think this would be a bad idea. I don't have any particularly strong feelings towards SSGSSE, but it doesn't hold a candle to UI "Omen" to me at least. Not to mention I like the idea of Goku and Vegeta having different and separable transformations for once.
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Complete UI might be superior, but is "Sign" superior in power to SSGSSE too? I'm not so sure.
Design-wise, I really like this form too. The aura feels so thick and all. I hope they don't do away with the transformation, personally.
Design-wise, I really like this form too. The aura feels so thick and all. I hope they don't do away with the transformation, personally.
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Based on the performance from UI Omen against Jiren compared to SSBE, I think the writers made it pretty clear that Omen is superior. Also the producer of the movie saying that Goku is close to a God with Vegeta struggling to catch up while also telling us to only pay attention to Goku in this movie since it's his story. Clearly nothing interesting is going to happen with Vegeta to further develop his limit breaker.Saturnine wrote:Complete UI might be superior, but is "Sign" superior in power to SSGSSE too? I'm not so sure.
Design-wise, I really like this form too. The aura feels so thick and all. I hope they don't do away with the transformation, personally.
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Sign of UI was used 3 times, and every one was considerably stronger than the previous. I'm still thinking SSjBE Vegeta should be stronger than Kefla at the very least.Kaiosama wrote:Based on the performance from UI Omen against Jiren compared to SSBE, I think the writers made it pretty clear that Omen is superior. Also the producer of the movie saying that Goku is close to a God with Vegeta struggling to catch up while also telling us to only pay attention to Goku in this movie since it's his story. Clearly nothing interesting is going to happen with Vegeta to further develop his limit breaker.Saturnine wrote:Complete UI might be superior, but is "Sign" superior in power to SSGSSE too? I'm not so sure.
Design-wise, I really like this form too. The aura feels so thick and all. I hope they don't do away with the transformation, personally.
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Vegeta beat Toppo without much trouble so it's safe to say he can also take down Kefla. How much effort it'd take is anyone's guess though as we don't know where she stands compared to Toppo but I highly doubt she's stronger.Saturnine wrote:I'm still thinking SSjBE Vegeta should be stronger than Kefla at the very least.
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Omen is among the best, if not the best transformation in all of Dragon Ball look-wise. Definitely the best lore-wise, with its mastered version.
I wouldn’t replace it with any other transformation.
I wouldn’t replace it with any other transformation.
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Re: Replacing Ultra Instinct "Omen" With Super Saiyan Blue Evolution
Just confirmed today from the producer of Ep 131 that SSBE is about equal to SSBKK. So there's no way Vegeta should be able to defeat Kefla since she knocked out SSBKK Goku with 1 kick to the neck.Saturnine wrote:Sign of UI was used 3 times, and every one was considerably stronger than the previous. I'm still thinking SSjBE Vegeta should be stronger than Kefla at the very least.Kaiosama wrote:Based on the performance from UI Omen against Jiren compared to SSBE, I think the writers made it pretty clear that Omen is superior. Also the producer of the movie saying that Goku is close to a God with Vegeta struggling to catch up while also telling us to only pay attention to Goku in this movie since it's his story. Clearly nothing interesting is going to happen with Vegeta to further develop his limit breaker.Saturnine wrote:Complete UI might be superior, but is "Sign" superior in power to SSGSSE too? I'm not so sure.
Design-wise, I really like this form too. The aura feels so thick and all. I hope they don't do away with the transformation, personally.
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Ishitani Megumi was the storyboard artist and episode director of Episode #131, not 'producer'. She was also the assistant episode director for many episodes of the story arc.Kaiosama wrote:Just confirmed today from the producer of Ep 131 that SSBE is about equal to SSBKK. So there's no way Vegeta should be able to defeat Kefla since she knocked out SSBKK Goku with 1 kick to the neck.Saturnine wrote:Sign of UI was used 3 times, and every one was considerably stronger than the previous. I'm still thinking SSjBE Vegeta should be stronger than Kefla at the very least.Kaiosama wrote:
Based on the performance from UI Omen against Jiren compared to SSBE, I think the writers made it pretty clear that Omen is superior. Also the producer of the movie saying that Goku is close to a God with Vegeta struggling to catch up while also telling us to only pay attention to Goku in this movie since it's his story. Clearly nothing interesting is going to happen with Vegeta to further develop his limit breaker.
The fact that Gokuu was using Blue Kaiou-Ken alongside Vegeta's Blue Evolution was pretty much the indication in the long run of those being equal to one another. It's nice to see Ishitani and Series Director Nakamura Ryouta confirm this, though.
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Re: Replacing Ultra Instinct "Omen" With Super Saiyan Blue Evolution
It's no secret that Evo was meant to be equivalent to SSjBKKx20 at first. But then it clearly got stronger against Toppo. I wouldn't take statements over what we saw in the show.