Freeza vs Kamiccolo(Freeza Arc)

[RandomGuy96]

The Nameless Namek should be more around 20,000... maybe 50,000 absolute max. All we know is that Guru was surprised that any saiyan could kill him. The strongest Saiyan at the time was Vegeta, around 18,000 (he was also the strongest during the days where the saiyans still existed, where he was a little over 10,000).

[Mjb1985]

Yep. I agree. Nameless Namek on his own potential would probably be around Nail or so. Only the Kaio Trained Nameless Namek would be able to topple Freeza's first form.

[Draken]

Well maybe that's the point. I mean we know there are other Super Nameks out there who didn't need haxed fusions, and all Guru would know about Kamicollo would be his original power and potential. How could he gauge what the fusion would do to his current power, unless he was talking about his original potential, which was higher than Frieza?

[Mjb1985]

I don't think Guru has any clue how strong Nameless Namek could be. He knows that he should be a true master and his own bodyguard is able to handle generally all Saiyans quite easily, so it makes sense.

If Nail can be that strong, maybe NN could to. That's more how I look at it rather and Guru reading any potential or scanning for power levels or anything like that.

[rereboy]

Well maybe that's the point. I mean we know there are other Super Nameks out there who didn't need haxed fusions, and all Guru would know about Kamicollo would be his original power and potential. How could he gauge what the fusion would do to his current power, unless he was talking about his original potential, which was higher than Freeza?

Like who? Nail is the strongest Namekian that we know about. If you are talking about Slug, yeah, that's just a movie and not in the manga, there's nothing to prove that there ever were Namekians stronger than Nail in the manga, except Piccolo after all his training.

And, also, don't underestimate Guru's hindsight and wisdom (and by extension, Nail's). He seems to know his stuff and he probably could guess fairly accurately that by becoming whole again, Piccolo and Kami would become much stronger than the sum of their parts, which were already stronger than the original parts of when they separated (in Piccolo's case, much stronger).

[miguelnuva1]

I always went with the theory that Kami and Piccolo's fusion would have less of an effect the stronger one became.

He they fused in the Frieza saga I see th.em getting to like 80,000,000 for example while in the Android saga it's just a double for Piccolo

[Mjb1985]

Sure that makes sense. Look how strong Nail made Piccolo. I'm sure the closer in power the more drastic a result.