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- A statement from the manga saying Kuririn is "the strongest in the world (among Earthlings, anyway)."xmysticgohanx wrote:Also, what's the proof for Krillin > Tenshinhan again?
It's stated by Toriyama and Yamcha.xmysticgohanx wrote:Also, what's the proof for Krillin > Tenshinhan again?
Well the debate wasn't going anywhere because you thought strength wasn't linear. Not only that but you firmly believed it and argued that's how it worked. Stats like strength and speed don't work like that. Exponential is only for an artificial manmade scale not for raw stats. For example, 2x the power level would convert into more than 2x the strength (most of the time). Strength is the raw data and there's nothing left to convert it into. You said that 10x the strength somehow meant trillions of times the strength. That would be like saying 1 mile = 1,000,000,000 miles. In this case strength is the "unit of measurement" so that's the exact amount it's going to go up by and there's nothing left to convert it to get a different number. So when they say Omega was 10x stronger than Syn that literally means 10x stronger and when they say SSJ4 Gogeta is dozens of times stronger than a normal SSJ4 then that literally means dozens of times stronger. I hope that makes it clear what I was trying to say.xmysticgohanx wrote:I just felt like the debate was going nowhere and I've been busy with school (senior year) and sports which is why I'm only replying right now. I've looked at other stuff on this website but nothing for more than 5 minutes.
I like lists like thisSSJ2FutureGohan wrote:I might've posted a lot of lists... but these should be finalized.. hopefully. I'm open to constructive criticism.
Spoiler:
.The only "problem" I would have with this list is the gap between Fat Janemba and SSJ3 Goku power being somewhat small, but that's just me.....oh, and I also don't have Piccolo THAT much weaker than the Super Saiyans during and after the Cell Games, but again, that's just me 
.Yeah, I might've made it too small, I just didn't want to bump Goku up too much, since I don't like the idea of Vegeta being in one-shot territory to Goku, and I was considering bumping Piccolo up.Darkron2151 wrote:I like lists like this
I personally have Piccolo slightly below Cell Games SSJ Goku (~50%), seeing as how Piccolo knew he stood no chance against Cell, yet Goku tells him that's he's reached "the next level of power" or something like thatSSJ2FutureGohan wrote: Yeah, I might've made it too small, I just didn't want to bump Goku up too much, since I don't like the idea of Vegeta being in one-shot territory to Goku, and I was considering bumping Piccolo up.
I have two options:
1. 88% of CG SSJ Vegeta
2. around initial Form 2 Cell
and thanks!
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I would definitely bump Piccolo up.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Yeah, I might've made it too small, I just didn't want to bump Goku up too much, since I don't like the idea of Vegeta being in one-shot territory to Goku, and I was considering bumping Piccolo up.Darkron2151 wrote:I like lists like this
I have two options:
1. 88% of CG SSJ Vegeta
2. around initial Form 2 Cell
and thanks!
This is officialsilverstorm_nuce wrote:Official Power Levels
Fusion and PotaraSpoiler:
Char A and Char B; A > B
Fusion = B x 2 x 15
Potara = (A + B) x 50 (Only Vegetto)SSJ1 = Base Form x 50Spoiler:
SSJ2 = SSJ1 X 2
SSJ3 = SSJ2 X 3
SSJ3 Full Power = SSJ2 X 4
That by training in the Room of Spirit and Time, Gotenks "leveled up" so much that he "surpassed Vegeta and the others." Possibly implying that, before doing so, his top power was less than Vegeta's.xmysticgohanx wrote:What does the Daizenshuu say about Gotenks and Vegeta again?
Or that his base has now surpassed Vegeta.Kaboom wrote:That by training in the Room of Spirit and Time, Gotenks "leveled up" so much that he "surpassed Vegeta and the others." Possibly implying that, before doing so, his top power was less than Vegeta's.xmysticgohanx wrote:What does the Daizenshuu say about Gotenks and Vegeta again?
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
So... that's the Kamehameha that Piccolo says was really weak, and figures that this weakness is probably because Cell is imitating the type of Kamehameha that Goku would've been using at the time his cells were collected rather than the current version? Seems bizarre that it'd be so far beyond Piccolo's level if so. Wasn't his initial shock only for "what the heck, how does this bug thing know that attack?" reasons rather than the actual power of it, which he was pretty unimpressed by once he got over how weird it was for Cell to be using a Kamehameha at all?Kamiccolo
post Kami fusion
~ Full Power : 670,000,000
~ weighted : 610,000,000
~ fatigued : 600,000,000
--- Gekiretsu Kodan * : 2,400,000,000
Cell
~ 1st form, initial : 500,000,000
--- Kamehameha * : 1,110,000,000
I'm not sure where Super Perfect Cell ranks. I believe Gohan is more powerful, but it makes sense for them to be in the same league. I like to just place Vegeta in the middle of Kid Gohan and Cell.1) When Vegeta see's Gohan, he actually mentions that there was a significant difference between their powers, but wonders if that's the case now. He then goes on to say Gohan got complacent while he continued to train hard. So Vegeta's confident that he's at least closed the difference to an extent.
2) Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2 and Vegeta quickly mentions that he was "far better" when he fought Cell. Not stated at this point, but I think his disappointment is a strong indication that he's more powerful than Teen Gohan.
So: Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta>Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan
3) After Goku uses his Super Saiyan 2 burst, it's enough to convince Vegeta that the difference between them is still huge. This fact isn't made clear till later, but we know. Vegeta acknowledges that they're both stronger than Gohan at that point, but that they never know how strong he'll be if he gets pissed.
So: Super Saiyan 2 Goku's Burst>Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta>Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan
4) After Bobbidi releases Vegeta's latent powers, he gets ready to fight Goku. Goku says he's going to end the battle at full-power, goes Super Saiyan 2, and Vegeta says: "Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!” Vegeta does the same and is shown to be equal to Goku.
So Goku's full-power in Super Saiyan 2 is stated to be greater than Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan's power. I believe that strongly implies Goku's Super Saiyan 2 Burst was less than Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan's power, though it's beyond Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan and Vegeta's level. That burst alone was enough to make Vegeta resort to Bobbid's mind control for power.
So: Super Saiyan 2 Goku=Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta>Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan>Super Saiyan 2 Goku's Burst>Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta>Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan
5) Goku thinks if Gohan gets angry like he did against Cell, his level of power will be beyond everyone's. I'm not so sure about this one. It's easily possible. Both Goku and Vegeta mention the idea of an enraged Gohan being quite powerful at this point.
There's the Piccolo stuff afterwards, but I think it means there's no astronomical difference between Majin Vegeta and Kid Gohan.
Piccolo was also pretty shocked that Boo was able to seemingly vaporize someone like Gohan even though he was stronger as a kid: “[Vegeta]’s already surpassed Super Saiyan as well…This is tremendous power…Perhaps even greater than Gohan’s when he fought Cell…But then…Even Gohan has been killed by Majin Boo…Why is Majin Boo as [strong?] as this?…”
Maybe Piccolo held every Super Saiyan 2 in high regard or something. All he'd have to go on is Gohan's display against Kibito, so he'd have no way of knowing how strong Teen Gohan really was. Still, it seems like Kid Gohan's Cell Games level was quite impressive by this point.
My overall comparison: Super Saiyan 2 Goku=Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta>Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan>Super Saiyan 2 Goku's Burst>Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta>Super Perfect Cell>Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan
