dbzfan7 wrote:Of course they disrespected Goku. They paired him up against Superman. A guy he had no chance against. They also disrespected Superman, by putting him against a guy not worth his time.
Thy disrespected Goku by not showing how he truly fight. All the fight was just punching. Where did the IT go? Where did Goku's martial art proest go? And Goku use a Kamehameha as a full frontal attack and just stand there when he sees that it didn't work? And this is the Goku that already fought Superman once. Nice one screwattack.
I think the idea was that since they already showed all of that stuff in the first fight, they didn't want to show it all over again because it would be repetitive, or something.
You shouldn't take these fan-made videos so seriously anyway.
Yeah, expected this outcome, but, you know, seeing Goku get beat that badly is like watching your dad get beat up. As much as I don't want to be, I'm still pretty butthurt.
Supes and I have had a lot of fun together, but he can go die right now. I hope Batfleck kicks his ass.
TKA wrote:Yeah, expected this outcome, but, you know, seeing Goku get beat that badly is like watching your dad get beat up. As much as I don't want to be, I'm still pretty butthurt.
Supes and I have had a lot of fun together, but he can go die right now. I hope Batfleck kicks his ass.
Honestly I didn't watch it and have no intention to either, the last fight pretty much spelt outright why goku lost, in the first place (and it was one of their few evaluations that was quite convincing) and now they did a rematch showcasing goku's new forms even though there are barely any feats that go with it and there's a new DB series ongoing so what research they present would immediately be dated. So even from a primary research perspective its redundant and waiting for DBS to finish would had been a better approach.
Then again GvS is beneficial to screwattack (it is all about getting view counts) so there isn't much waiting, though to me the showdown these two is getting old.
I actually would had been more compelled to watch it if screwattack did a crossover story featuring these two, a mini fan arc saga and at the end, using all the research they know to state why , they got the animators and the voice actors, and have mini setup usually just before two characters kick off. so why not? I would had preferred that then a straight up round 2, but even then I prefer they wait till DBS was done with before considering to watch.
I like to know who these 'fans' were that requested it, as I question the validity of the claim that so many requested the rematch, there's been little to show of it on this site and other dragon ball forums, so I take that claim with a pinch of salt and say screwattack was going to do this regardless as the appeal between these two feeds itself, but I don't think it would be as popular as before.
TheBritWriter wrote:Honestly I didn't watch it and have no intention to either, the last fight pretty much spelt outright why goku lost, in the first place (and it was one of their few evaluations that was quite convincing) and now they did a rematch showcasing goku's new forms even though there are barely any feats that go with it and there's a new DB series ongoing so what research they present would immediately be dated. So even from a primary research perspective its redundant and waiting for DBS to finish would had been a better approach.
Then again GvS is beneficial to screwattack (it is all about getting view counts) so there isn't much waiting, though to me the showdown these two is getting old.
I actually would had been more compelled to watch it if screwattack did a crossover story featuring these two, a mini fan arc saga and at the end, using all the research they know to state why , they got the animators and the voice actors, and have mini setup usually just before two characters kick off. so why not? I would had preferred that then a straight up round 2, but even then I prefer they wait till DBS was done with before considering to watch.
I like to know who these 'fans' were that requested it, as I question the validity of the claim that so many requested the rematch, there's been little to show of it on this site and other dragon ball forums, so I take that claim with a pinch of salt and say screwattack was going to do this regardless as the appeal between these two feeds itself, but I don't think it would be as popular as before.
If their first video was actually tying to make real research even I wouldn't watch it. But it clearly shows that they don't have any intention to correct their mistake in the previous video. This is just basically the same fight but this time they put a lot less effort into this. It's a good thing that you didn't wath it.
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TheBritWriter wrote:Honestly I didn't watch it and have no intention to either, the last fight pretty much spelt outright why goku lost, in the first place (and it was one of their few evaluations that was quite convincing) and now they did a rematch showcasing goku's new forms even though there are barely any feats that go with it and there's a new DB series ongoing so what research they present would immediately be dated. So even from a primary research perspective its redundant and waiting for DBS to finish would had been a better approach.
Then again GvS is beneficial to screwattack (it is all about getting view counts) so there isn't much waiting, though to me the showdown these two is getting old.
I actually would had been more compelled to watch it if screwattack did a crossover story featuring these two, a mini fan arc saga and at the end, using all the research they know to state why , they got the animators and the voice actors, and have mini setup usually just before two characters kick off. so why not? I would had preferred that then a straight up round 2, but even then I prefer they wait till DBS was done with before considering to watch.
I like to know who these 'fans' were that requested it, as I question the validity of the claim that so many requested the rematch, there's been little to show of it on this site and other dragon ball forums, so I take that claim with a pinch of salt and say screwattack was going to do this regardless as the appeal between these two feeds itself, but I don't think it would be as popular as before.
If their first video was actually tying to make real research even I wouldn't watch it. But it clearly shows that they don't have any intention to correct their mistake in the previous video. This is just basically the same fight but this time they put a lot less effort into this. It's a good thing that you didn't wath it.
Well the research wasn't perfect on the first fight wither, actually its very contradictory that superman can resist mind control or telepathy when he was controlled by a teenage girl in tenth circle, or unable to dodge a kryptionite bullet. Heck for that matter why does lex luthor's suit of kryptionite that fires beams of the stuff does LESS damage then the standard fist sized rock that either him or batman wave at superman?
If I did the research I would look for an average level of feats, sometimes the very best feats are inconsistent as the bad ones, this applies to goku also but certainly best feat wise superman is the best and by using them at the end of the first fight removes any sense of the rematch when goku has achieved very little other then the vague increase in power. Just before goku can match 70% of beerus doesn't mean he can wipe out a solar system etc. Beerus had feats to match his feared power, goku not so much.
So the total runtime for the fight was 3½ minutes.
Pretty underwhelming.
Okay back to what I mentioned yesterday, there is a fight sequence at the very beginning of the fight, that looks very similar to Goku's fight against Kid Buu in the opening of DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi, but I recalled it wrong it was Superman who was a stand in for Goku, while Goku was Kid Buu.
Seriously, you guys really thought that giving Goku Blooper Saiyan would give him a win? I told you that Superman had no limits and so no matter what, Goku can't win.
dbgtFO wrote:So the total runtime for the fight was 3½ minutes.
Pretty underwhelming.
How long was the first one in comparison?
FoolsGil wrote:I TOLD ALL OF YOU.
Seriously, you guys really thought that giving Goku Blooper Saiyan would give him a win? I told you that Superman had no limits and so no matter what, Goku can't win.
Um...I think most of us already figured the result. I think the majority believed Supes had this.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Seriously, you guys really thought that giving Goku Blooper Saiyan would give him a win? I told you that Superman had no limits and so no matter what, Goku can't win.
A lot of people thought at least they correct the mistake about Goku's stats.
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I honestly think that this was just lazily done. Everything other than the animation was pretty much the same as the first one. Same explanation, no fixing past mistakes, and nothing about new 52 Superman other than his Solar attack, that they didn't even use.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
If Goku scales with Beerus in Super shouldn't he be rather close? Beerus is supposedly billions of times FTL , if you follow the calcs that is, and he can poke planets in half. I dont think Goku is too far behind the less ridiculous versions of Supes, and against certain versions i believe he could in fact win. I'll make my mind up properly once i've seen more of DB Super.
I already figured the result so I was not surprised. By I liked their exposition at the end. They actually were right in what these characters are supposed to be.
Sora Saiyan wrote:If Goku scales with Beerus in Super shouldn't he be rather close? Beerus is supposedly billions of times FTL , if you follow the calcs that is, and he can poke planets in half. I dont think Goku is too far behind the less ridiculous versions of Supes, and against certain versions i believe he could in fact win. I'll make my mind up properly once i've seen more of DB Super.
You missed the point. Whatever level of power Goku can achieve, Superman can go higher, because he is written as a character with limitless potential. The best Goku could do would be perhaps beat a certain version of Superman at a very specific moment in time, but hey, a lot of characters could also beat Goku if we just take a version of Goku at a specific moment in time.
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Pretty much guessed the outcome since the start although people saying Superman having no limits is bs really don't get the point of him. The purpose of Superman is about a guy who, if he wanted to, could take over everything and defeat anyone if he really wanted to. He could be an unstoppable, immortal dictator the likes of which has never been seen but he doesn't. He uses his vast power to help people because its the right thing to, to inspire people to be better cause its the right thing to do.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
I didn't watch it and don't think I will from what am hearing it was just like the first I expected superman to win but the fight was pretty pointless to be honest I mine we don't even no much about ssg or ssgss and the fight was done just to prove a point that goku can't defeat superman atleast yet...........
It was a disappointing fight. It didn't make a bit of difference that SSJ God was involved. Last time the fight was so entertaining because they seemed more evenly matched, Goku really pushed Superman to the point where he said he didn't have much left. Here he lost pretty easily despite being much stronger which made it short and boring.
Still there's versions of Superman Goku can't beat and then versions that he can, like from the cartoons or the movies.
My only complaint was that this fight was way more one-sided than the first and seemed to only exist to reaffirm Superman's superiority.
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rereboy wrote:I already figured the result so I was not surprised. By I liked their exposition at the end. They actually were right in what these characters are supposed to be.
Sora Saiyan wrote:If Goku scales with Beerus in Super shouldn't he be rather close? Beerus is supposedly billions of times FTL , if you follow the calcs that is, and he can poke planets in half. I dont think Goku is too far behind the less ridiculous versions of Supes, and against certain versions i believe he could in fact win. I'll make my mind up properly once i've seen more of DB Super.
You missed the point. Whatever level of power Goku can achieve, Superman can go higher, because he is written as a character with limitless potential. The best Goku could do would be perhaps beat a certain version of Superman at a very specific moment in time, but hey, a lot of characters could also beat Goku if we just take a version of Goku at a specific moment in time.
That goes for everything really. Superman isn't written as a character with limitless potential but he is written with multiple authors. There will be some that would let Superman win but there will also be one that made him lose. Goku on the other hand is by one author. Screwattack just basically use the he is the MC card which is pretty bullshit. They want to write him as the winner and thus he is the winner. That's what they basically mean. I mean NU 52 Superman is a Superman which Goku can beat but they rather use composite Superman because why not.
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