PFM18 wrote:Ok just making sure you weren't feeling attacked. My post was pretty long-winded and could have come off as kind of rude so I tried to clear up any confusion.Champa The Destroyer wrote:PFM18 wrote:
Are you going to continue your DBS power levels? I hope you didn't stop because you felt attacked by me. I was just tryna give constructive feedback
Sorry, I've been really caught up in things lately, and I haven't has much time to be on Kanzenshuu at all aside from a post or two (and perhaps I forgot briefly )
I do plan on continuing and I didn't take any offense at all from your feedback, it's actually appreciated.
PFM18 wrote:
Just make a new post with new numbers. First Form Freeza is stronger than the Gohan who's base had surpassed Piccolo.(Which, is pretty damn strong if his base is stronger than Piccolo when Piccolo is normally SSJ Saiyans level.) And you have to think Piccolo wouldn't have been as frightened by First Form Freeza if he thought SSJ3 Gotenks could beat him like he did Super Buu. I think First Form Freeza is a bit stronger than Super Buu.
But yeah Base Goku barely getting a boost seems strange since he got the training from Whis. It should be atleast 2x IMO. I Disagree with the Super Saiyan Blue multiplier being only 2x over SSG. At first during this time we had no idea how things went in regards to the Super Saiyan God forms since now Goku had absorbed the power and attained a monumentally large boost. Beerus and Goku stated he had the same strength as SSG in SSJ after the SSG power had left him etc etc. But after that point Goku could still go SSG after he trained with Whis and harnessed God Ki. We didn't know this for certain during this time but it was confirmed in the ToP. But for Goku to have the same SSG boost he got before after he had absorbed the power would be just ridiculous. He would have gotten the giant SSG boost twice. That would be very overpowered and that doesn't appear to be the case.
During BoG we were told that SSG was astronomically stronger than SSJ3 and it provides a larger boost than the potara fusion does. We find out that during the ToP neither of these things are true anymore. Goku goes SSJ3 against the U6 Saiyans and then SSG and the boost he gains doesn't appear to be that large. And then in the fight with Kefla we can clearly see that her potara fusion boost was far larger than the boost that Goku got as going SSG. If the boost stayed the same, since Caulifla and Goku's base were about equal, then SSG Goku would have stomped SSJ2 Kefla. That tells us that the multiplier for SSG must have changed.(It had to, like I said it would be ridiculous if he got the same boost twice.) Then we see that Goku fights Base Kefla as a SSG, and SSJ Kefla as a SSB and the gap between them seems to stay the same. As the name of the name of the form and the description of the form seems to imply, I think SSG->SSB yields a 50x boost.
I think that numerically things look like this:(Where Base Goku BoG is a 1 here)
Goku(pre-ritual)
Base-1
SSJ-50
SSJ2-100
SSJ3-400
SSG-8,000,000(20,000x multiplier)
Goku(post-ritual)
Base-160,000
SSJ-8,000,000
SSJ2-16,000,000
SSJ3-64,000,000
SSG-128,000,000
And SSB is 50x the SSG value. Keep in mind I am just using these numbers to illustrate how the multiplier has changed and how Goku's power changed after he absorbed the SSG from the ritual.
Keep in mind this only applies to the anime. In the manga the scaling and multipliers are COMPLETELY different.
So if I have SSG (BOG Arc) at 20,000, and Base Goku and Vegeta (ROF) at 850, that would make a hypothetical SSG at approximately 40,000-45,000, and in turn, maybe a SSB at 2,000,000? With that, Golden Freeza would be at about 2,150,000, enough to have the upper hand initially, but not enough to outright stomp. With Gohan, making him in base equal to Piccolo would put his SS form at 4.5, probably too high but could be justified because I believe there was a line about Tagoma being as strong as Ultimate Gohan.
So for this, I will put this as my updated chart:
Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (Base): 0.09
Gohan (SS): 4.5
Tagoma-Ginyu:4
Goku (base): 850
Vegeta (base): 850
SSB Goku: 2,000,000
SSB Vegeta: 2,000,000
Golden Freeza: 2,150,000
Golden Freeza (tired): 600,000
The U6 Arc coming soon, to a thread near you!
Anyway,I think these numbers look REALLY good. To clarify, you are using SSJ3 Goku as a 1 on this scale like you were before? Also, it seems you left out First Form Freeza and Final Form Freeza, maybe you addressed that somewhere I'm not seeing but it appears that they are missing.
As for Tagoma, it is really confusing. Gohan says "He is as strong as me at my best" which seems to imply Ultimate Gohan, but then he defeats him even though he said he had not been training and became weaker? I don't know what to do about those.
Crap, I keep forgetting things
Anyways, SS3 Goku (pre God ritual) is still a 1.
Here's my updated list with the Freezas:
Jaco:0.00000001
Krillin:0.000005
Tien:0.000006
Roshi:0.000003
Piccolo:0.09
Gohan (Base): 0.09
Gohan (SS): 4.5
Tagoma-Ginyu:4
First Form Freeza: 35
Goku (base): 850
Vegeta (base): 850
Final Form Freeza: 820
SSB Goku: 2,000,000
SSB Vegeta: 2,000,000
Golden Freeza: 2,150,000
Golden Freeza (tired): 600,000
Now for the U6 Arc!
Goku (base): 2,700
Vegeta (base): 2,700
Botamo: 0.5 (his only gimmick was tanking attacks)
Frost (first form): 500
Frost (Assault Form): 2,750 (he had the upper hand against Base Goku, if I remember correctly)
Frost (Final Form): 80,000
Goku (SS): 135,000
Piccolo: 2,500 (I think most people put him at below base)
Frost (Extremely Tired): 3,200
Vegeta (SS): 135,000
Magetta: 130,000
Cabba (Base): 2,500 (Vegeta I think uses his full power, but I still think Cabba is slightly weaker)
Cabba (SS): 125,000
Vegeta (SSB): 6,350,400 (I got this number from the multiplier I made from SSB in the previous arc, which was 2,352)
Hit (initial): 10,000,000
Goku (SSB): 6,350,400 (but is able to predict Time Skip)
Goku (SSB Kaioken x10): 63,504,000
Hit (Full Power and Improved): 63,510,000
Monaka: 0.00000000000000001
Monaka (power that nobody knows about): Infinity
How do these look?