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The Dragon Ball AF fever has his origin on Spain

Postby Raykugen » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:38 pm

I read it long time ago about this, that the originb of the popular image of GOKU SSJ5 appeared for the first time in the spanish videogame magazine "Hobby Consolas" in the number 92, May of 1999. So I have get this magazine and it's true.
Also, as I always though, it's not goku SS5 it looks he has pottalas or something, also is too tall.

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As you can see, Daniel Montiel Franco, it's the official guilty of the DBAF origin xDD
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Re: The Dragon Ball AF fever has his origin on Spain

Postby DerekPadula » Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:30 am

This is very interesting! Thank you for posting.

There are a few Dragon Ball related items in this magazine, actually. To save everybody some time, here are the pages to go to:

    Advertisement for Dragon Ball GT on VHS > 85
    Dragon Ball AF picture > 134
    Gohan and Freeza picture > 136
    Question about Dragon Ball game > 140
    Dr. Slump video game article > 151

In regards to the AF image. That IS fascinating, but it still isn't definitive proof that David Montiel Franco was the person who drew it, or that he drew it in 1999 and it was then immediately published in this magazine. To play devil's advocate... He could have found it online, printed it out, and sent it in with his name on it, or drew it a couple years prior, shared it on the internet, and then also sent it in to this magazine. Maybe he was just a kid who liked the image and sent it in because he thought it was cool. Who knows?

I would love to jump to the conclusion that he drew it, he did it in 1999, and this is the first place it was seen, but I can't. And that's because I've heard anecdotal evidence of people seeing this image online in 1997 and 1998. As well as the rumor of Dragon Ball AF beginning in 1997.

Can anybody corroborate that this is the FIRST instance of this image ever appearing, anywhere? Or provide evidence to the contrary?

This is all very intriguing though, and thank you for sharing it.

For the Dragon Ball video game question, I translated the question via Google Translate and then cleaned it up. It says, "Q: Will there be another Dragon Ball game? A: I bet a million dollars that there won't be."

Original: "Saldra otro juego de Dragon Ball? Yo no apostaria ni un million de pesetas a que va a salir otro."

Any native Spanish speakers, please feel free to clean up the translation. That was my best guess. Funny that he said there wouldn't be another game (in 1999), when you look back in hindsight.

And in regards to your comment about Goku SSJ5 and Vegetto SSJ4, I don't think that makes any sense. It's clearly not SSJ4, as the fur isn't red, the hair is totally different, and so are the clothes. The earrings don't necessarily mean that it's a fusion either. There are other characters in Dragon Ball that wear earrings that have nothing to do with fusions, such as Zarbon. And the earrings don't necessarily mean a character has fused, as even the Kaioshin wear them pre-fusion. If anything, it's an indication that Goku has reached the level of the divine after fusing with Shen Long at the end of GT. But my guess is that here it could just be a stylistic choice of the illustrator. This is a new creation that nobody had ever seen, but the face and body structure resemble Goku SSJ4, so I guess that's why somebody called it SSJ5.
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Re: The Dragon Ball AF fever has his origin on Spain

Postby DerekPadula » Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:49 am

Also for anybody who is interested. Here is my Dragon Ball AF Explained article that went live last night.

Lastly, I just noticed on the zoomed in image that there's a signature on the bottom left side. Does that look like "David Montiel Franco" to anybody? It kind of does look like that to me.
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Postby Raykugen » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:53 am

"Saldrá otro juego de Dragon Ball? Yo no apostaria ni un million de pesetas a que va a salir otro."

"There will be another Dragon Ball videogame? I wouldn't bet a million pesetas (old spanish money) that there's gonna be another one".

It's just a videogame magazine, and where is the drawing, it's in the "readers zone" where the people ask to the magazine and send their drawings. I think that this is the original origin, because, clearly, the quality of the image it's better than what we have seen on the Internet for the last years, also, in the signature of the drawing, I think it says "Daniel Montiel 98". Maybe he heard about the rumor, and drew this, maybe...


DerekPadula wrote:And in regards to your comment about Goku SSJ5 and Vegetto SSJ4, I don't think that makes any sense. It's clearly not SSJ4, as the fur isn't red, the hair is totally different, and so are the clothes. The earrings don't necessarily mean that it's a fusion either. There are other characters in Dragon Ball that wear earrings that have nothing to do with fusions, such as Zarbon. And the earrings don't necessarily mean a character has fused, as even the Kaioshin wear them pre-fusion. If anything, it's an indication that Goku has reached the level of the divine after fusing with Shen Long at the end of GT. But my guess is that here it could just be a stylistic choice of the illustrator. This is a new creation that nobody had ever seen, but the face and body structure resemble Goku SSJ4, so I guess that's why somebody called it SSJ5.


Gogeta SS4 hasn't his body hair red neither his head hair black.
Anyways, all the Super Saiyans have the same face, also, it's very tall, maybe 2 metters
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Re: The Dragon Ball AF fever has his origin on Spain

Postby dbboxkaifan » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:57 pm

I think that this is the original origin, because, clearly, the quality of the image it's better than what we have seen on the Internet for the last years, also, in the signature of the drawing, I think it says "Daniel Montiel 98". Maybe he heard about the rumor, and drew this, maybe...


That's not a valid reason, if anyone skilled enough he/she could do a superb job that would make this scan look like crap.

To me, it looks low quality.

Magazines back in the day featured anything about Dragon Ball / Dragon Ball Z / Dragon Ball GT because it had huge popularity, and just for DB-content, the fans/costumers would buy it, regardless of the rest included.
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Postby Raykugen » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:10 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:
I think that this is the original origin, because, clearly, the quality of the image it's better than what we have seen on the Internet for the last years, also, in the signature of the drawing, I think it says "Daniel Montiel 98". Maybe he heard about the rumor, and drew this, maybe...


That's not a valid reason, if anyone skilled enough he/she could do a superb job that would make this scan look like crap.

To me, it looks low quality.

Magazines back in the day featured anything about Dragon Ball / Dragon Ball Z / Dragon Ball GT because it had huge popularity, and just for DB-content, the fans/costumers would buy it, regardless of the rest included.


But that's not from the magazine ._. it's a drawing sent by a reader
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Re: The Dragon Ball AF fever has his origin on Spain

Postby dbboxkaifan » Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:36 pm

That's still part of the magazine, is it not, Raykugen? So it counts.
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Postby Raykugen » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:23 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:That's still part of the magazine, is it not, Raykugen? So it counts.


But was just sent by a guy who read the magazine
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Postby DerekPadula » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:25 pm

I think it's very interesting and is substantial in its own right. But unless we somehow directly contact David and ask him, there's no way we'll ever know if he was the first person to draw it, when he drew it, and if he put it on the internet first or submitted it to this magazine first. Or, as I suggested as a possibility, he found it online, printed it out, and submitted it. We'll have to contact him to get the truth.

But it is a very good find, and exciting to know it was at least published in a magazine around the same time.
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Postby Tzigi » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:48 am

But unless we somehow directly contact David and ask him

And don't you think that it may be this guy? His name is the same and he is from Alicante so that should be him. Maybe somebody with a better mastery of spanish can write to him and ask him about it.

Wow, my find even caused me to stop lurking and post for the first time in 4 years :P

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Postby DerekPadula » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:45 am

Great find, Tzigi! I didn't even have time to do any research on him, and here you go providing a lead!

I'll contact him tomorrow if I have a chance. Google Translate should be good enough to get the message across.

Thanks!
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Postby Kingdom Heartless » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:14 am

Awesome... the Dragon Ball AF investigation begins! :P

I tried searching earlier, but couldn't find anything.
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Postby Xevious » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:18 am

Thank you Raykugen for managing to get that magazine!
Wow, I never thought that we would find the origin of this picture...

Well, now I just hope that Tzigi found the right guy. That would be nice to contact him, maybe he doesn't even know what he started. =|

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Postby DerekPadula » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:57 am

I emailed a while ago and finally heard back from David. This is his message:

"Dear Sir,

You will find more details on this blog:

http://af-dragonball.blogspot.com/

Regads."

If you go to the site you'll see a bunch of images that look very similar to the original drawing. But you'll also be very confused because it provides no information whatsoever.

I wrote him the following reply:

"Hi David,

Thank you for sending the link to this website. Is this your website?

I'm still very confused and this doesn't really help answer my questions. All of the images and character designs look like they were done by the same person, and I see the same signature on a few of them. Did you draw all of these, and is that your signature, "David Montiel Franco"?

The date on the images is recent, posted between 1 week and 3 weeks ago. Did you just make this site, and are the other images recent, or from years ago?

Were you the first one to create the Dragon Ball AF image labeled "Tablos"? It's also the same name as your username on blogspot. So is that the characters name AND your username, or is it supposed to be Super Saiyajin 5 Goku and it just has your username on it? Did you originally draw this in 1997 or 1999 and then submit it to the Hobby magazine?

Thank you."

So far no reply. But the website certainly is interesting.
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Postby HECTOR4 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:37 am

I remember I saw this picture published in other Spanish magazine (I´m Spanish XD):

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It was at the same time that the image of "Goku SS5" appeared in the Hobby magazine. I have to search through my old magazines. But I am totally convinced it was David Montiel who initiated the subject of Dragon Ball AF.

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Postby Kingdom Heartless » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:48 am

That Kroder image is pretty cool.... but that New Saiyajins image is slightly unnerving.
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Re: The Dragon Ball AF fever has his origin on Spain

Postby Raykugen » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:36 pm

I can't believe my eyes...

Kingdom Heartless wrote:That Kroder image is pretty cool.... but that New Saiyajins image is slightly unnerving.

Yeah, these boobs...

Xevious wrote:Thank you Raykugen for managing to get that magazine!
Wow, I never thought that we would find the origin of this picture...

Well, now I just hope that Tzigi found the right guy. That would be nice to contact him, maybe he doesn't even know what he started. =|

You are welcome, I'm happy because it looks we have found the origin of this, and it looks the ssj5 idea was just a copy from a drawing from a god or something like that
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Postby DerekPadula » Tue May 29, 2012 4:28 am

Hi everyone. I know this thread is a few months old but I wanted to let you know about a blog post I wrote that ties it all together and includes my correspondence with David Montiel Franco, in Spain.

Dragon Ball AF Origin Revealed

Now if anybody asks you where Dragon Ball AF came from, in addition to sending them here, you can also send them to the article.

Thank you very much Raykugen for helping translate my questions into Spanish, and to Tzigi for tracking David down.

Hope you guys enjoy reading it.
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Postby Raykugen » Tue May 29, 2012 10:48 pm

DerekPadula wrote:Hi everyone. I know this thread is a few months old but I wanted to let you know about a blog post I wrote that ties it all together and includes my correspondence with David Montiel Franco, in Spain.

Dragon Ball AF Origin Revealed

Now if anybody asks you where Dragon Ball AF came from, in addition to sending them here, you can also send them to the article.

Thank you very much Raykugen for helping translate my questions into Spanish, and to Tzigi for tracking David down.

Hope you guys enjoy reading it.



Thanks to you

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Re: The Dragon Ball AF fever has his origin on Spain

Postby DerekPadula » Wed May 30, 2012 2:17 am

Ah. Thank you. I've updated the caption underneath the image.

Thanks again, Raykugen, for finding the magazine!
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