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Dragon Ball Anime Remake Chapter coverage 7.0 (163 episodes)

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:33 pm

Every so often I wonder "just how would a new animated series adaptation of Dragon Ball be organized?" After watching Bleach and Hajime no Ippo, where the average ratio of chapters in an episode is two-to-three (seven minutes a chapter), I decided to try similar with Dragon Ball. Amazingly, so far I have managed to organize chapters #1-163 into fifty-two episodes. I'll post back later when I've done more!
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:00 pm

I've added up through episode #60 to the first post. Since there is a text limit I will have to add the rest here!
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Post by Ryuman » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:33 pm

Did you just..... Wow, that's certainly a lot of condensing.
All the filler the anime brings in just makes it difficult for me to wrap my head around it. Nice job.

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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:10 pm

I do love the first two Dragon Ball shows the way they are, but doing these projects is always a lot of fun. I've done two or three for Rurouni Kenshin, too.

After watching Hajime no Ippo I decided to really go for broke by attempting three or four chapters per episode. The 2000-2002 Hajime no Ippo TV series covered chapters #1-269 of the Hajime no Ippo comic in just seventy-five TV episodes. That is over three and a half chapters an episode. Fights in Hajime no Ippo still manage to last for multiple episodes, too. Even better, you almost never notice it. Working from that idea I simply started grouping what I thought would make for the best combination of three or four chapters. Sometimes I would hold back and stick to two if it made sense in the context of the surrounding chapters fitting better together in a separate episode. This is why episode #77 only covers chapters #250-251, the following three chapters worked best as a single episode.

I was concerned with how to handle the Saiyan arc, though. Dragon Ball Kai handled the arc very unevenly, mostly thanks to editing together footage from Dragon Ball Z. Assuming I used these summaries to create a new series from scratch the pacing and editing could be a lot more sufficient by simply leaving out unnecessary bits or changing the story. This was my thought process for episode #69 (#223-226), where Gokuu's ass-whooping of Nappa would be trimmed down to focus on Piccolo's death scene. For episode #142 (chapters #448-452) I imagine killing Puipui and Yakon very quickly, without even bothering to have Babidi change the battle environments. Perhaps Puipui is arrogantly proclaiming how strong he is before being cut off by Vegeta blasting him. From there cut to Babidi's shock and Darbra's reassurance, before then recutting to Gokuu instantly killing a charging Yakon with a counterattack. This way unimportant bits can be glossed over or skipped while the rest of the episode is devoted to more important elements while keeping the plot moving.
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Post by sangofe » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:18 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Every so often I wonder "just how would a new animated series adaptation of Dragon Ball be organized?" After watching Bleach and Hajime no Ippo, where the average ratio of chapters in an episode is two-to-three (seven minutes a chapter), I decided to try similar with Dragon Ball. Amazingly, so far I have managed to organize chapters #1-163 into fifty-two episodes. I'll post back later when I've done more!
Wait, what are you really doing here? "Kai'ing" DB? I'm confused.

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:51 pm

So if I understand it correctly, you're adapting for television in a way that addresses the pacing issues inherently different between a comic and television, which is why you're truncating certain events to more evenly pace others?
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Post by theawesomepossum777 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:01 pm

sangofe wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:Every so often I wonder "just how would a new animated series adaptation of Dragon Ball be organized?" After watching Bleach and Hajime no Ippo, where the average ratio of chapters in an episode is two-to-three (seven minutes a chapter), I decided to try similar with Dragon Ball. Amazingly, so far I have managed to organize chapters #1-163 into fifty-two episodes. I'll post back later when I've done more!
Wait, what are you really doing here? "Kai'ing" DB? I'm confused.
He is pretty much making a hypothetical episode guide of a Dragon Ball anime reboot. Take for example the new Hunter X Hunter anime. The manga was adapted to anime in 1999, but it fell victim to being too close to where the manga was. That is why it got a new anime that adapts the manga much better. Same with Fullmetal Alchemist. It had an anime in 2004 that ended up with a radically different ending to the series because the manga came out at a slow pace. If Toei were to redo adapting the Dragon Ball manga series (which would be suicidal at this point), it would be the "Kai" concept fully realized. So that would be a yes to your question.

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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:20 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:So if I understand it correctly, you're adapting for television in a way that addresses the pacing issues inherently different between a comic and television, which is why you're truncating certain events to more evenly pace others?
Yeah, basically. I think one of Kai's flaws was perhaps not simply outright changing the story enough. Not everything has to be panel-for-panel so long as the story flows well between episodes and each episode does the best it can on what it is attempting to accomplish. Toriyama's pacing can be a little funky sometimes so it makes for some jerry-rigging to make a chain of episodes be both not too slowly paced, but also properly dramatic. This is why I would suggest making Puipui and Yakon into even bigger jokes. They serve no purpose in the grand scheme. Going back to my example of episode #69, I can easily imagine the episode opening with Piccolo's dramatic death and Gokuu arriving on the battlefield just before the first eyecatch. The second part of the episode would likely take the bulk of the usual twenty minute runtime with Gokuu defeating Nappa.
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