Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Rubens]

Goku's fight against Freeza was the only match from him remotely entertaining. I've been looking forward for Master and Student to finally face off.

Agreed. Not to mention that this is probably the match that will tell us where Goku's power is about, since so far he only got weak opponents.

[ekrolo2]

Can't wait to see Vegeta's new form that's supposedly better than SS3.

[Doctor.]

Oob should actually have a decent shot, but seeing as how he had trouble with Fat Boo, I don't see him taking this unless he can pump up Kaioken to ridiculous levels.

[Gog]

Goku's fight against Freeza was the only match from him remotely entertaining. I've been looking forward for Master and Student to finally face off.

Agreed. Not to mention that this is probably the match that will tell us where Goku's power is about, since so far he only got weak opponents.

We know how strong Goku is here, since Slagir subscribes to the theory of diminishing returns. He's not all that much stronger from the Boo Saga ten years ago.

[FoolsGil]

Goku's fight against Freeza was the only match from him remotely entertaining. I've been looking forward for Master and Student to finally face off.

Agreed. Not to mention that this is probably the match that will tell us where Goku's power is about, since so far he only got weak opponents.

We know how strong Goku is here, since Slagir subscribes to the theory of diminishing returns. He's not all that much stronger from the Boo Saga ten years ago.

I've never heard of this theory, it doesn't make sense that someone like Goku hasn't made substantial gains in ten years, and then what about Vegeta's supposed new form if diminishing returns is in effect?

[Gog]

Agreed. Not to mention that this is probably the match that will tell us where Goku's power is about, since so far he only got weak opponents.

We know how strong Goku is here, since Slagir subscribes to the theory of diminishing returns. He's not all that much stronger from the Boo Saga ten years ago.

I've never heard of this theory, it doesn't make sense that someone like Goku hasn't made substantial gains in ten years, and then what about Vegeta's supposed new form if diminishing returns is in effect?

Well, it comes from this statement from Slagir, there's probably more than this, but for the time being this is all I can find:

[spoiler]> dragonball noob : P.s- Its like teling me my limit of doing push-ups is 10 and no matter how hard I try and workout I will never be able to do 11 push-ups.
Muahahah ! I can do 12 push-ups, and only using half of my powers !
Hu... what I wanted to say is...
You train a lot and go to 1000 push ups, that's your limit. OK. Train again and you may do 1003. Or 1039. Even 1076. That's incredible. But you're not going to do 2000. Nope.

I'm talking about limits for that. The heroes have surpassed the gods, and are not far from the strongest being in the universe and all times (Buu). What's even the meaning of getting stronger again and again? It's in fact... not even fun to me as a scenarist.
No limits are cool for enemies, for challenges. Broly becoming always stronger is a challenge. But I should never give this power to a hero. After that, what's left? He is stronger ? Let's go SSJ5, SSJ7, fusion mystic SSJ39... It's so uninteresting...
Limits are challenging. That's why I use limits.[/spoiler]

Anyway, fun fact! For a time period Slagir did believe that 530K was Finial Form Freeza's Full Power.

Edit: Review for the fight, honestly this battle was a massive disappointment in all categories. With Raichi coming out looking like he was an incompetent fool. It also doesn't make Gast look any better considering Raichi had to be dumbed down in order for Gast to beat him in a smart and pragmatic way. It also stings that Gast was the one who beat Raichi as Raichi was a fully realized character, with a fleshed out personality, and Gast is just a silent badass.. And that's it he wants to revive his people, and that's where it ends he's a one trick pony.

[Rubens]

That diminishing returns theory, if I'm not mistaken, basically states if a character maintains the same training routine over and over (even if it got a great boost of power at first), the gains it gets are increasingly less that at some point it won't make it stronger, just maintain the peak of power. At least this is my perception of it.

Spoiler:

(and it used to make sense until nowadays, since in Super it seems this theory have lost importance sometimes, with the incredible and preposterous off-screen trainings and all)

Still, it doesn't mean that Goku can't be much stronger than he was back in Boo arc. It's possible that he could have "mastered" SSj3 or something like that. The point is, as viewers we haven't really had the chance to see Goku's true strength in DBM, other than reactions and feedback from him or other characters.

[FoolsGil]

The thing about this "diminishing returns" theory is that apparently Vegeta isn't subbing to that. And he's got a brand new form to show everyone and we all know the tropes, he will match Goku. It's kind of lame that this whole new transformation will only push him to an apparently petered out Goku. Goku Barely any stronger than Kid Buu after 10 years? Vegeta's new transformation will only get him that far? What a lame multiplier.

[miguelnuva1]

The thing about this "diminishing returns" theory is that apparently Vegeta isn't subbing to that. And he's got a brand new form to show everyone and we all know the tropes, he will match Goku. It's kind of lame that this whole new transformation will only push him to an apparently petered out Goku. Goku Barely any stronger than Kid Buu after 10 years? Vegeta's new transformation will only get him that far? What a lame multiplier.

I'm thinking Vegeta will dominate either Goku or Cell abd either way Goku will copy during the fight.

[Noah]

That's a nice page. Really looking foward for that match.

One of my biggest gripes with GT is that taking the first episode we got nothing more from the supposed master and student bound Goku and Oob formed after EoZ.

[testing223]

After watching Kale in DBSuper 100, I'm even more convinced that the Toei writers are getting ideas from DB Multiverse. Right down to the random Broly energy blasts being tossed around the arena at the other competitors.

[rereboy]

[GigaDrill]

wonder if Zen Buu's gonna hijack Babidi's plan somehow

wouldn't put it beyond him to do it

[TonyTheTiger]

After watching Kale in DBSuper 100, I'm even more convinced that the Toei writers are getting ideas from DB Multiverse. Right down to the random Broly energy blasts being tossed around the arena at the other competitors.

Any similarities seem pretty coincidental, mostly because both are drawing from the same source material and throwing a barrage of energy blasts every which way is a pretty Broly thing to do. If anything, I'd bet the Hunger Games is a bigger influence on Super's current arc.

[OLKv3]

After watching Kale in DBSuper 100, I'm even more convinced that the Toei writers are getting ideas from DB Multiverse. Right down to the random Broly energy blasts being tossed around the arena at the other competitors.

Any similarities seem pretty coincidental, mostly because both are drawing from the same source material and throwing a barrage of energy blasts every which way is a pretty Broly thing to do. If anything, I'd bet the Hunger Games is a bigger influence on Super's current arc.

Wouldn't be the first time DBS was inspired by fanworks. Look at Goku Black

[Daisetsu]

That's hardly a good comparison considering Turles was a thing.

[MisteryOne]

That's hardly a good comparison considering Turles was a thing.

Turles is not even remotely close to Black and Zamasu as they are to Zaiko and her Kaioshin mother from Toyble's AF trough.

[OhHiRenan]

That's hardly a good comparison considering Turles was a thing.

Turles is not even remotely close to Black and Zamasu as they are to Zaiko and her Kaioshin mother from Toyble's AF trough.

Personality wise, no but concept wise he fits the Evil Goku role Tullece filled to a T. You're 100% right that they're more like Zaiko and Kaiomom from AF, though.

[Fionordequester]

Turles is not even remotely close to Black and Zamasu as they are to Zaiko and her Kaioshin mother from Toyble's AF trough.

Didn't Toyotaro used to be a fanfic writer by the name of Toyble? If so, he HIMSELF was the writer of Zaiko and Evil!East Supreme Kai. Considering how closely Toriyama and Toyotaro work now, that may be why there seems to be so many parallels.

[Hellspawn28]

I feel like Xicor and Black have nothing in common with each other expect for they are link with a evil Kaioshin. Even the West Kaioshin has different goals in mind than Zamasu. West Kaioshin in Toyable's AF wanted to create the most powerful warrior in the Universe after Goku defeated Freeza while Zamasu and Black want to wipe out mortals.