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Goku having bumped his head limited his potential?

Post by Noah » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:59 pm

We all know since the Saiyan arc, theories have come about what if Goku never bumped his head? Would he fulfil his destiny as a Saiyan baby (Fuck Minus) sent to a weak planet to conquer it?

We all might say no as there are many people stronger than him at time, but long ago I read a theory that Goku having bumped his head limited his potential as he could get used to his Saiyan nature/behavior and his savage self would come more often, making him stronger and getting Zenkai boosts earlier.

What you guys think about it?

Would his change of behavior make him strong enough to have conquered the Earth?
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Re: Goku having bumped his head limited his potential?

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:14 pm

He was strong enough to conquer Earth at a young age, regardless. The only ones who could have stood in his way were those from the Turtle and Crane Schools. However, we also know that Saiyans like to transform into Oozaru's to conquer planets. If he turned into an Oozaru, he could exterminate Earth's population in either scenario.

To answer your question, no. Goku's potential probably wasn't harmed when he hit his head.
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Post by Kerunou » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:20 pm

Yeah, Kid Goku showed superhuman capacity from pretty much the get go. It just wasn't as clear or apparent because ki hadn't come into play until he met Roshi. If you look at his feats of strength and survival, it's pretty clear that his accident as a baby didn't hinder him in any way.

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Post by Gog » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:21 am

Not only would it have limited his potential, he would have been killed off.

Goku being good was in fact the only reason why he became as strong as he did, if not and if he went on murder sprees he would have been killed off by all the fighters far stronger than him

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Re: Goku having bumped his head limited his potential?

Post by ShadowBardock89 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:41 am

Gog wrote:Not only would it have limited his potential, he would have been killed off.

Goku being good was in fact the only reason why he became as strong as he did, if not and if he went on murder sprees he would have been killed off by all the fighters far stronger than him
But, would he have? Dragon Ball Minus has me doubting that now.
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Re: Goku having bumped his head limited his potential?

Post by Gog » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:53 am

ShadowBardock89 wrote:
Gog wrote:Not only would it have limited his potential, he would have been killed off.

Goku being good was in fact the only reason why he became as strong as he did, if not and if he went on murder sprees he would have been killed off by all the fighters far stronger than him
But, would he have? Dragon Ball Minus has me doubting that now.
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Post by rereboy » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:42 am

Noah wrote:We all know since the Saiyan arc, theories have come about what if Goku never bumped his head? Would he fulfil his destiny as a Saiyan baby (Fuck Minus) sent to a weak planet to conquer it?

We all might say no as there are many people stronger than him at time, but long ago I read a theory that Goku having bumped his head limited his potential as he could get used to his Saiyan nature/behavior and his savage self would come more often, making him stronger and getting Zenkai boosts earlier.

What you guys think about it?

Would his change of behavior make him strong enough to have conquered the Earth?
All he needed was a power around King Piccolo to easily conquer Earth. Without bumping his head, it might have take him longer to reach such a power but it's perfectly possible that he could reach it. And with the right set of circumstances, he could do it without even being that powerful. Also, for all we know, his saiyan "programming" could have included saiyan martial arts and tactics that could have helped him get stronger and that he lost when he bumped his head, so, in that regard, he might have weaken him somewhat. Furthermore, who knows how the events would have played out... In the original story, Goku owes much of his power to circumstance, and the same, with another set of circumstances, could happen to evil Goku.

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Re: Goku having bumped his head limited his potential?

Post by mabalia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:23 am

I consider Minus in my answer so if Goku didn't hit his head he wouldn't try to conquer Earth as he wasn't sent here on a mission but to be saved from the destruction of his home planet. And he'll grow up aware of his heritage and I think it's possible he'd contact his older brother to know if planet Vegeta was destroyed or not (he'd know Raditz is alive by listening to his parents conversation).

Raditz wasn't interested in having his brother close or he would've come to look for Goku in the original manga a lot earlier, but Goku could've wanted to go to where his brother and the rest of the sayans are. Now this could make a big change in his personality if Goku lived like a saiyan and Freeza's soldier.

But if he established an emotional conection with Gohan and accept his training, he could've opted to stay on Earth instead. Goku is still a child and his mother is a sweetheart, I see a part of her personality on Goku, but he sure is Bardock's son, he loves to fight too much.

The hit on his head just made him forget he's a saiyan.

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Post by emperior » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:31 am

Going by DB Minus, it is probable during the 3 years of incubation Goku was told how to train, how to master the Oozaru form and he also certainly knew it was possible to fly, as he saw his parents doing it.
Not to mention he had a Saiyan armor that, as we could see in Saiyan arc, is very durable and would protect him.

He lost all his memory when he bumped his head but it's very unlikely he lost his potential.
Maybe it was a miscalculation by Bardock to send him on Earth as we know fighters can suppress their power, so if they used the scouter to analize the planet they couldn't know there live martial artist capable of controlling their ki and use very good techniques.

Maybe Kakarot would have turned good (or at least not evil) under Gohan's tutelage and maybe he would have decided not to kill all earthlings out of remorse for his parents sending him there, or because he realized that if his parents didn't pick him up then his race had been betrayed and exterminated

The possibilities are countless, though Toriyama said himself that most likely Goku would have wiped out Earthlings had he not bumped his head
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Post by mabalia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:19 am

emperior wrote:The possibilities are countless, though Toriyama said himself that most likely Goku would have wiped out Earthlings had he not bumped his head
Did he say this before or after DB Minus?

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Re: Goku having bumped his head limited his potential?

Post by emperior » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:29 am

mabalia wrote:
emperior wrote:The possibilities are countless, though Toriyama said himself that most likely Goku would have wiped out Earthlings had he not bumped his head
Did he say this before or after DB Minus?
I read it recently but don't remember what interview that was. I looked up for Episode of Bardock and Jaco interviews and it's not there, so I assume he said it pre-Minus

Maybe someone here can find that interview? I'm 100% sure it exists
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Post by mabalia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:32 am

emperior wrote:
mabalia wrote:
emperior wrote:The possibilities are countless, though Toriyama said himself that most likely Goku would have wiped out Earthlings had he not bumped his head
Did he say this before or after DB Minus?
I read it recently but don't remember what interview that was. I looked up for Episode of Bardock and Jaco interviews and it's not there, so I assume he said it pre-Minus

Maybe someone here can find that interview? I'm 100% sure it exists

Ah, maybe he changed his perspective after Minus.

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Post by Draconic » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:59 am

He would have been done in, Oozaru or not, the moment he crossed paths with Muten Roshi, the Red Ribbon Army or Tao Pai Pai or hell, anyone from the Crane School (except maybe Chaotzu, though he could still be of help). That's not assuming God himself would interfere, since unlike Piccolo, Goku is not tied to him in any way.
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Post by DragonBallFoodie » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:15 pm

Judging by the Black Goku arc, which showed what happened when Goku's body had its inhibitions and moral restraints removed, I'd probably agree that his potential was limited.
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Post by Doctor. » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:16 pm

He was low-class, he only got so far by getting freebies at every turn.

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Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:59 pm

emperior wrote:Going by DB Minus, it is probable during the 3 years of incubation Goku was told how to train, how to master the Oozaru form and he also certainly knew it was possible to fly, as he saw his parents doing it.
Not to mention he had a Saiyan armor that, as we could see in Saiyan arc, is very durable and would protect him.

He lost all his memory when he bumped his head but it's very unlikely he lost his potential.
Maybe it was a miscalculation by Bardock to send him on Earth as we know fighters can suppress their power, so if they used the scouter to analize the planet they couldn't know there live martial artist capable of controlling their ki and use very good techniques.

Maybe Kakarot would have turned good (or at least not evil) under Gohan's tutelage and maybe he would have decided not to kill all earthlings out of remorse for his parents sending him there, or because he realized that if his parents didn't pick him up then his race had been betrayed and exterminated

The possibilities are countless, though Toriyama said himself that most likely Goku would have wiped out Earthlings had he not bumped his head
As much as I am reluctant to refer back to DB Minus, my headcanon suggests that the bump to his dead didn't make him good specifically, but it made him forget the memories of his parents and planet Vegeta. He just lost that part of his life to recall as he developed his personality on Earth. Then my headcanon would just assume Gine was weak because of her pure heart and Goku inherited that which made his power level so weak. Goku got his calm heart from her, which made him more willingly to accept help from others because Saiyans like Gine would need assistance more often than the naturally talented like Vegeta, and the fact that she was only most likely kept because she was a female. However as weak as it made him at birth, I think it allowed him to seek out help and it helped him grow and mature himself at a faster rate than Vegeta could naturally. So at best I think his head bump weakened him cognitively which makes him so ignorant to things but I think his naturally calm heart itself is his long-term potential as suggested by Vegeta in the Kid Buu fight. The only thing I don't accept from Minus is the retcon saying it was planned for him to go to Earth to keep himself. Please no.
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Post by Xeztin » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:34 pm

If Goku didn't bump his head and he were basically just like Raditz or Vegeta he'd probably have reached Raditz or Nappa level and that was it. He would have had no competition other than the Crane school to further himself. Kami, Kaio, and every other wordly being would not train him if he had the evil Saiyan nature and was not pure of heart. Also in my opinion he wouldn't have reached Super Saiyan because he probably would never have been angered enough to reach it unlike when a very dear friend of his was killed in cold blood. He wouldn't have any friends to help him either because he'd just kill everybody. Also even though bumping his head gave him his good nature, if it wasn't for his friends and Grandpa Gohan he might not have ever gained strong emotions for loved ones enough to feel the pain of loss to become a SSJ. Vegeta probably wouldn't have became a Super Saiyan without human's helping him learn "Human Emotions". Earth's human's has a funny way of changing you, even Vegeta stated that when he sold out to Babidi. Even though Goku was good natured as a kid, sometimes he had a hard time understanding why Bulma wanted a boy friend so bad or why she was emotionally attached to what he thought were silly things and even as a teenager didn't understand the feeling of love by marriage. Even to this day I feel like he still looks at Chi-Chi as a companion.

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Post by emperior » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:10 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
emperior wrote:Going by DB Minus, it is probable during the 3 years of incubation Goku was told how to train, how to master the Oozaru form and he also certainly knew it was possible to fly, as he saw his parents doing it.
Not to mention he had a Saiyan armor that, as we could see in Saiyan arc, is very durable and would protect him.

He lost all his memory when he bumped his head but it's very unlikely he lost his potential.
Maybe it was a miscalculation by Bardock to send him on Earth as we know fighters can suppress their power, so if they used the scouter to analize the planet they couldn't know there live martial artist capable of controlling their ki and use very good techniques.

Maybe Kakarot would have turned good (or at least not evil) under Gohan's tutelage and maybe he would have decided not to kill all earthlings out of remorse for his parents sending him there, or because he realized that if his parents didn't pick him up then his race had been betrayed and exterminated

The possibilities are countless, though Toriyama said himself that most likely Goku would have wiped out Earthlings had he not bumped his head
As much as I am reluctant to refer back to DB Minus, my headcanon suggests that the bump to his dead didn't make him good specifically, but it made him forget the memories of his parents and planet Vegeta. He just lost that part of his life to recall as he developed his personality on Earth. Then my headcanon would just assume Gine was weak because of her pure heart and Goku inherited that which made his power level so weak. Goku got his calm heart from her, which made him more willingly to accept help from others because Saiyans like Gine would need assistance more often than the naturally talented like Vegeta, and the fact that she was only most likely kept because she was a female. However as weak as it made him at birth, I think it allowed him to seek out help and it helped him grow and mature himself at a faster rate than Vegeta could naturally. So at best I think his head bump weakened him cognitively which makes him so ignorant to things but I think his naturally calm heart itself is his long-term potential as suggested by Vegeta in the Kid Buu fight. The only thing I don't accept from Minus is the retcon saying it was planned for him to go to Earth to keep himself. Please no.

Based by Roshi's words, Goku was very wild before bumping his head, so by bumping his head not only did he lose his memory, he also became good-natured.
We don't know if he would have killed Gohan or if he would have become good over time by staying with him. It could also be a sort of "lion pet" thing, where a liok raised by a human will become good only towards that human, and aggressive towards the others
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Post by mabalia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:03 pm

emperior wrote:
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
emperior wrote:Going by DB Minus, it is probable during the 3 years of incubation Goku was told how to train, how to master the Oozaru form and he also certainly knew it was possible to fly, as he saw his parents doing it.
Not to mention he had a Saiyan armor that, as we could see in Saiyan arc, is very durable and would protect him.

He lost all his memory when he bumped his head but it's very unlikely he lost his potential.
Maybe it was a miscalculation by Bardock to send him on Earth as we know fighters can suppress their power, so if they used the scouter to analize the planet they couldn't know there live martial artist capable of controlling their ki and use very good techniques.

Maybe Kakarot would have turned good (or at least not evil) under Gohan's tutelage and maybe he would have decided not to kill all earthlings out of remorse for his parents sending him there, or because he realized that if his parents didn't pick him up then his race had been betrayed and exterminated

The possibilities are countless, though Toriyama said himself that most likely Goku would have wiped out Earthlings had he not bumped his head
As much as I am reluctant to refer back to DB Minus, my headcanon suggests that the bump to his dead didn't make him good specifically, but it made him forget the memories of his parents and planet Vegeta. He just lost that part of his life to recall as he developed his personality on Earth. Then my headcanon would just assume Gine was weak because of her pure heart and Goku inherited that which made his power level so weak. Goku got his calm heart from her, which made him more willingly to accept help from others because Saiyans like Gine would need assistance more often than the naturally talented like Vegeta, and the fact that she was only most likely kept because she was a female. However as weak as it made him at birth, I think it allowed him to seek out help and it helped him grow and mature himself at a faster rate than Vegeta could naturally. So at best I think his head bump weakened him cognitively which makes him so ignorant to things but I think his naturally calm heart itself is his long-term potential as suggested by Vegeta in the Kid Buu fight. The only thing I don't accept from Minus is the retcon saying it was planned for him to go to Earth to keep himself. Please no.

Based by Roshi's words, Goku was very wild before bumping his head, so by bumping his head not only did he lose his memory, he also became good-natured.
We don't know if he would have killed Gohan or if he would have become good over time by staying with him. It could also be a sort of "lion pet" thing, where a liok raised by a human will become good only towards that human, and aggressive towards the others
Maybe he was violent because he still didn't know if he could trust Gohan or not? If Gohan found him in the spaceship, Goku react to this by atacking him because he knows saiyans are feared in the universe and this old man could try to kill him just for being a saiyan (and that was Jaco's mission). Goku's lucky that humans in general don't know about aliens.

We saw later that Gohan convinced him to come to his house and give him food. Goku's terrible eating without manners, he was a wild child. And we don't how many time passed until Goku bumps his head, do we? Because in the meantime I wonder if Goku ever told Gohan he was saiyan, since he already knows hes's an alien, and told him of his oozaru transformation? Because Gohan alerted Goku (without memory) not to look to the moon. If that wasn't what happened so Gohan saw his oozaru at least once to give him the warning. And tragedy happens when Goku looks to the moon again.
But that's something I guess we'll never know.

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Post by HeroR » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:18 am

Doctor. wrote:He was low-class, he only got so far by getting freebies at every turn.
He got so far because he worked hard for his power. The closest he ever got to a 'freebie' was drinking poison water that could have killed him.
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