What changes would you make to Fukkatsu no F?

[dbzfan7]

Some are satisfied and some are not. This question is not just about story, but can also reflect animation, sound track, or really anything you can think of. I'll come up with my list momentarily. Also this isn't a place to argue points, just to get your opinions out there. I don't want to see "I like that idea" "I think that idea is dumb" "No it ain't" back and forth discussions. You can say even nothing if you really want, but try to elaborate. Also no smart alek just "It shouldn't be made" responses either.

[sintzu]

A tease at the end to what's to come would have been nice but in terms of changing what's there,based on what I've read I don't think anything needs to be changed cause of how well everything was handled.

[Lord Beerus]

- Show Freeza training
- Given an insight as to how powerful Sorbet's ring truly is
- Remove the CGI
- Show how Vegeta attained his SSGSS form
- Explore Freeza's race
- Have Yamcha join in on taking on Freeza's soldiers
- A bit more backstory on the PTO
- A teaser ending

[fadeddreams5]

Have not seen the movie and have only read the summary once, but...

1. This is an obvious one, but I wish Mystic Gohan was a thing. With his new hairstyle, it would have been easy to distinguish his base form from mystic by simply spiking his hair up after he transforms. It would have been neat if Gohan was NOT present in the battle against Frieza's men. The others would handle them, but then Shisami, who's backstory would be better explained to justify his strength, would overpower them. Gohan would arrive a tad late because he was searching for his gi, and easily dispatch Shisami. Then, Frieza would arrive to the battlefield. Gohan would be forced to go Ultimate against Frieza's first form. He'd get the better of Frieza, prompting the villain to quickly transform to his final form and one-shot Gohan. This would create a bigger impact than first form Frieza one-shotting an untrained SSJ1 Gohan.

2. I would have preferred Golden Freeza to be a real threat, dominating both Goku and Vegeta, individually. This would prompt them to work together, which was Whis' lesson in the first place. Like in the movie, Freeza's power would gradually weaken as he engages in an arduous battle against the two SSJGs at the same time. The wear and tear would revert him to his original form. Goku would show mercy. Vegeta would tell Goku to move aside, charge his blast to deliver the final blow, but he'd be too slow to prevent Freeza from blowing up the planet. Whis would speak to Goku while he's in limbo (crossing to the other world), and warn him of his mistake before reversing time (only Goku would be aware of this). Finally, Goku would pull the trigger against Freeza before he has a chance to destroy the world.

3. No lame ass blue SSJs. I can't imagine ANYONE liking these forms more than the original SSJ transformation. if he wanted to distinguish the SSJ forms of gods from regular saiyans, he could have made subtle changes that would mesh the best qualities of SSJ1 and SSJG. Blond hair with red highlights, red eyes with no pupils, and flaming aura. That's one. Or just the red eyes and aura. Why go with this fugly blue?

4. Trunks and Buu should have been in the movie somehow. How do you mention the counterparts of these characters and just leave them out? This makes no sense from a writing perspective.

5. It should have left off with some hints of the other universes, gods, or some other threat that we could anticipate in a new film. Missed opportunity, imo.

6. Shown Frieza's training, and increase the time he spent training. No prodigy nonsense.

[ssjjanemba]

I would have kept Freeza alive. Seems wasteful to bring him back and kill him off in one movie. Now Freeza has the most deaths for a canon DBZ villain.

[Doctor.]

I posted my changes a few weeks ago in the movie thread where it got some positive and negative feedback, here it is again. It's largely the same post as before, but I added a few things and changed my tone a bit because it may have appeared that I was acting a bit condescending and entitled in my original post, even though that wasn't my intention.

Spoiler:

- Increase the number of soldiers. 1k isn't a threat, never was, never will be. Bardock was plowing through soldiers back in the TV Special. Other manga that were inspired by Dragon Ball like One Piece and Naruto have characters handling dozens of thousands of people in one blow; the guys handling 1k soldiers isn't impressive at all. Bump it up to 10k or 100k and then maybe the Dragon Team is forced to actually have a little trouble and then the "they got tired" excuse may gain some bit of credibility. I understand that 1k is a low number because Freeza's army was in ruins and whatnot, but if after Freeza returns his army becomes this huge (100k), then it only adds credit to Freeza as a leader.

- I can't believe nobody sensed Tagoma, who has a Zarbon-level Ki, and Sorbet arriving on Earth. Not even the GOD of Earth who’s supposed to oversee the planet and be alert to these kinds of things? I suggest adding some kind of cloaking device to Sorbet’s ship, that hides their Ki while they’re on Earth. It’s much more believable that they’d find the DBs and revive Freeza that way.

- Increase Freeza’s training time. This is obvious; I can accept the whole excuse that he’s a prodigy and whatnot, but at least make his training longer, like a year at least. Also show it. Even if it’s something generic like gravity training, at least show us the kind of training Freeza will put himself through in order to get revenge. Him admitting that he needed to train was a milestone in his character development and then we're presented with the biggest power jump in the series without actually seeing it.

- Explain Golden Freeza. We don’t know anything about it, what is it? How did Freeza know how to achieve it? How did he achieve it? Is it the reason why first form and final form Freeza are so strong, did he manage to use part of its power in those forms like SSJG? Does every race have a transformation that they can access or are the Saiyans and Freeza just special? I really wanted them to address this last point in particular, because it may shed some light on whether or not other characters may become useful or not.

- Nitpick, but I think that Freeza asking the Dragon Team for Future Trunks would have been a cool interaction, he speaks about getting revenge on both Saiyans but then is obsessed with Goku the rest of the film.

- Cast of characters chosen are fine. I can understand 18 not fighting. Trunks and Goten would make for some good interactions between them and Freeza, but I don’t mind it much that they were left out. Mr. Boo, however, is a must. Freeza mentions him, it would provide us with great interactions between the two and we haven’t seen Mr. Boo fight in a loooong time.

- I can understand why they left Boo and Gotenks out and why they nerfed Gohan, they would get rid of the army too easily, I get that. But if you think they’re too powerful, don’t nerf them, make the opponents more powerful instead. Increase the number of soldiers like I said; this movie was a perfect opportunity to introduce a few new interesting characters like the Ginyu Force but we only get Tagoma, who gets killed very early on, Shisami, and Sorbet. Add like 4 new guys, the new Ginyu Force or something. Their characterization doesn't have to be extensive, just tell us their name and say they're super powerful because of this, this and that. Have them be new recruits from different dimensions (meaning that after hearing about Freeza's revival, they rushed to try to defeat him in hopes of getting his empire for their own, but failed because Freeza had trained (ah-ha!) and then joined his ranks); or they trained along with Freeza to increase their power. One at SSJ2 level would be fine for Mr. Boo, one at Perfect Cell level for Piccolo and the other two at like 50% Freeza level or so for Kuririn and Tenshinhan, most of the random soldiers would have been dealt with by this point. I much prefer to see even fights over a glorified stomp fest.

- Do not disrespect Gohan, don’t forget about his ultimate power-up. While everyone else deals with fodder soldiers and the new Ginyu Force, let ultimate Gohan stomp first form Freeza for a while, and then proceed to get stomped (or an even fight, either or) by final form Freeza when he transforms. Then Gohan doesn’t have a good moment at the cost of Piccolo’s dignity like in this movie, and he doesn’t immediately get one shot by Freeza's weakest form like he did. He also keeps his title of strongest non-fused and non-deity member of the Dragon Team; the whole scene of Freeza (final form, however) almost killing Gohan can be kept, just to show off Piccolo's skill with Ki.

- Why were they sparring their opponents? Only Goku has been worried with that in the past, and he has let go of that habit, then why is everyone doing it now? Is it just to say they’re holding back and that’s why they have a bit of trouble? Are they stalling for time? Is it just to make Freeza look badass by killing his own men? I can appreciate the last option, but it’s really out of character for people like Piccolo to spare his opponents when he has never done that before.

- More info on SSJG. It’s such a cheap transformation that they can abuse so easily. If they sensed Freeza’s ki, why didn’t Gohan and the others ask to do the ritual? Just to be sure they’re ready if Freeza - no, if any threat ever comes to Earth again. There’s no drawback to SSJG, if they fail to absorb the Godly Ki, just re-do the ritual until they get it right. Add some restrictions to it. Make it so that beings with Godly Ki can’t participate in the ritual, and since there’s only Trunks, Goten, Gohan, Pan, Bra and Vegeta left, they could only do the ritual to one more person (Vegeta, of course). This would allow for a further ritual if F. Trunks ever comes back or Tarble returns to Earth (Gohan would be the natural option).

- Better explanation on the Blue SSJG. It’s “Super Saiyan fused with Super Saiyan God” but we already saw Goku turning SSJ in BoG. Is it like a mastered form? How did they achieve it? Does it have a time limit? If they can turn Blue Super Saiyan God now, does it mean they can turn into the normal SSJG at will too? The movie leaves things very vague. I don't mind it much, but I hoped the manga, some promotional material or future interviews address this more.

- Why does Freeza believe Vegeta still has some loyalty left? I understand if he asks it one time and lets it go when Vegeta says no, but he kept insisting throughout their fight. It seems like forced lines just so that Vegeta can admit he likes Goku. It kind of makes Freeza look dumb.

- I like that Golden Freeza has a drawback, but don’t make the fights so one-sided. Freeza was literally a punching bag the entire fight. Make G. Freeza vs Goku an even fight until Goku gets distracted and let G. Freeza hit Vegeta with a few good hits, even if the latter has the advantage for the majority of the fight. Having Vegeta beat down on a tired Freeza is not an "epic" or "badass" moment in my eyes, I'd much prefer it if he earned that victory.

- Change everything about Sorbet's ring. It seemed like it had so much potential from the trailer and in the film it only serves to shoot one beam... And it comes out of nowhere as well, with no mention prior of it in the film (not in the summary at least). Why does he need a ring, does it hold some type of special power? Can he not use Ki? The ring could have been a great tool, it has been a long time since someone in DB has used items. In my opinion, the ring should have some type of ability like absorbing Ki in a specific area (the entire battlefield, just exclude Freeza as I’m sure he won’t like it). Something like 2% every 5 minutes or something

- And with the above in mind, now it would make sense for Sorbet to actually manage to hurt Goku. There have been cases of weaker characters hurting stronger characters in the past, but this is like Mr. Satan hurting SSJ Vegetto, it doesn’t make any sense. If Sorbet’s ring had some kind of Ki absorbing ability and then could convert it into beams, then it’d make sense for him to hurt Goku, as he’d actually have part of Mr. Boo’s and Gohan’s Ki incorporated into it. Not enough to actually hurt Goku when he’s with his guard up, but when he’s distracted it works. Or go with option 2. just make Freeza give Sorbet some of his Ki that he stores on his ring before the fight. The summary gives the impression that Freeza and Sorbet had some kind of plan in case things went south. Or option 3. disregard Sorbet's ring entirely and make G. Freeza pull a Piccolo Jr. and shoot a death beam through Goku’s chest when he thought Freeza was dead. Just make sure Goku's defeat makes sense, that's all I want.

- Blood. Look, I don't want Dragon Ball to go Berserk on us. But if you're going to go through the trouble of putting a scene as brutal as a beam through the chest and Freeza stomping on Goku's wound, then don't censor it.

- Change the ending completely. Whis' time travel was a predictable plot device that made Freeza a joke. Have him die not in a way that completely humiliates his character. Let him suicide by blowing up Earth and killing everyone. Let Whis save those that were on the battlefield (Jaco, Bulma, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Roshi, Boo, Gohan, Piccolo). Vegeta, Goku and Beerus don’t need saving because they’re strong enough to survive Freeza’s blast and since they’re actually Gods now, it’s about time Goku and Vegeta got over their weakness of not being able to survive in space. If there’s a good excuse as to why now they can when they couldn’t before it’s definitely Godly Ki.
Have Goku lament for his inability to save everyone and say it’s all his fault; have him also ask Whis to turn back time and then have Whis refuse because Goku needs to take responsibility for his mistakes, which will make his character a very harsh teacher when he needs to be. Either go to Namek and make a wish or leave a cliffhanger for the next movie; come up with an excuse as to why the Namek balls don’t work (maybe Kaioshin ordered them to de-activate them, it'd be a nice way to tie in with his line in the Boo arc) and have Whis offer Goku and Vegeta a way to go to another universe to use their Dragon Balls. This ending would allow closure for Vegeta (it’s only debatable because Trunks died in the blast, but he will obviously resurrect him the future) while simultaneously giving him his moment to shine, Goku also gets a time to shine for a while, Freeza’s resurrection isn’t pointless, he doesn’t get completely humiliated and his death accomplished something.

3. No lame ass blue SSJs. I can't imagine ANYONE liking these forms more than the original SSJ transformation.

Design-wise, I do.

[dbzfan7]

-Freeza managed to escape being reincarnated, and has avoided the process ala shenanigans as a puff ball spirit. He has absolutely no power and has to embarrassingly flee since he can't fight back against Enma's men. Because it takes a while to reincarnate and there's many people to reincarnate, he lasted for a while. It can follow up after his death at the hands of Trunks.

-Freeza is revived fully by Tagoma and Sorbet, but is revived during the Cyborg training period. Freeza leaves with them as he's not strong enough to compete with the saiyans.

-Freeza protests he's a "prodigy" and that he can train to get really strong really fast. A year or so passes and he only manages to get somewhat stronger. Cursing his inability to really grow. He realizes he isn't as great as he thought he was.

-A being from one of the other 12 universes approaches Freeza, and is the one who helps Freeza get incredibly strong over the next several years. The beings motivations aren't made clear to us just yet.

-Post training and after getting stronger, Freeza amasses a new army. He conquerors planets and collects more powerful warriors to join him on his crusade. These warriors range in level. Freeza goes to re-establish his army as a dominant super power. Most of this can be off screen, or considered part of his training.

-On earth we have a similar meeting, except this time the mooks are more varied. Some are weak, some are really strong. Gohan takes on 1st form Freeza in his Ultimate state, though knows the most he can do is buy time for his father to show up and his friends to not have Freeza kill them.

-Muten Roshi fights off some of the weaker fodder, but gets overwhelmed once some of the stronger additions make a B-line for the old timer. Krillin and Tenshinhan jump in to Muten Roshi's aid and fight together. Muten Roshi and Krillin join attacks via Kamehameha, while Tenshinhan fires a Kikoho. Yamcha also appears, saying he'd never sit out even if Tenshinhan said so.

-Piccolo absolutely dominates until Shisami shows up. Shisami was a warrior that fell at the hands of Freeza on another planet, while Freeza reconstructed his army into an even greater force than ever before. Shisami while not a good person, fights as he has to, or he dies. He and Piccolo have an even battle.

-Gohan and Freeza have a cool fight, but it's very clear Freeza is just far too strong. Gohan does as best as he can, til Freeza nearly kills him. Piccolo notices Gohan going down and comes to his aid. Shisami stops him. Freeza is not impressed by Gohan, and waits for a real challenge. Gohan laments that he couldn't buy enough time, that he wasn't strong enough to protect his the earth.

-Freeza orders Shisami to kill Gohan since he's not worth Freeza's time. Piccolo takes off his weighted clothing and the real fight between Shisami and Piccolo begins. Freeza thinks about just killing Gohan now, but thought it'd make Goku pissed to see his son nearly dead. So he just leaves him.

-Goku and Vegeta come in around the time Shisami has been dealt with as well as the army. Freeza kills the weaklings when even after amassing a new powerful army, they still couldn't win.

-Goku see's his son nearly dead, and is enraged. He asks Vegeta to take this fight on his own. Vegeta at first tries to protest, but see's Goku is really serious, so he just keeps quiet this time.

-Freeza jumps to Final Form and the same fight happens as in the movie, but more personal.

-Gohan is healed via senzu and stands by the others. He realizes how he nearly left his family without a father, and resents how helpless he was. He vows to be ready next time and to not let everyone down again.

-Golden Freeza vs SSGSS Goku commences and is about the same, though without Freeza becoming so weak by the end. When Freeza's on the ground, Goku powers down telling him to leave. It's his last chance to do so. Sorbet pierces Goku's heart once Goku's power was lowered.

-Vegeta comes in and beats the crap out of Freeza. However after dominating for a while, he gives Freeza the last senzu, not feeling satisfied beating Freeza in such a pitiful state. Vegeta does better than Goku as he watched and studied their fight to gain an advantage. Though the fight is still fierce.

-Vegeta wins in a tough fight and Freeza blows up the earth again. This time though after time is turned back, Goku stops Freeza from blowing up earth and sends him flying. Vegeta finishes blasts Freeza and kills him. Vegeta complains that he didn't need Goku for the assist.

-Beerus and Whis argue that their other weaknesses is not teaming up. That they could have done that to get the job done with much more comfort.

-The person from the other universe is disappointed Freeza failed him, but he did at least give insight as too how strong the top beings in the universe are. The being proclaims he'll just have to change his plans a little. We're left in the dark as the next film would feature this mysterious person.

(More on SSGSS when I figure out how to handle that)

[fadeddreams5]

3. No lame ass blue SSJs. I can't imagine ANYONE liking these forms more than the original SSJ transformation.

Design-wise, I do.

You prefer SSJ with blue hair and eyes over golden/blond hair and green eyes? O_o

I mean, you avatar looks cool, but imagine swapping the color of it with the traditional SSJ scheme. You don't think that looks better?

[Dyno]

• All characters appearing.
• Freeza's convincing training.
• Bardock and Gine.
• A detailed Bardock vs Freeza/planet Vegeta's destruction.
• Jaco talking with Kakarot.
• Tights appearing.
• Son Goten, Trunks and Freeza having a dialogue.
• A good explanation of why the color of the "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" is blue.
• Give better names to the new form of the Saiyans and Freeza.
• Make a cliffhanger to the 12 Universes mixing elements/aspects/concepts from Dragon Ball Online.
• Mira and Towa would be canon.


I think it's all.

[Doctor.]

3. No lame ass blue SSJs. I can't imagine ANYONE liking these forms more than the original SSJ transformation.

Design-wise, I do.

You prefer SSJ with blue hair and eyes over golden/blond hair and green eyes? O_o

I mean, you avatar looks cool, but imagine swapping the color of it with the traditional SSJ scheme. You don't think that looks better?

No, I prefer the blue SSJ, it's my favourite colour after all.. SSJ still remains the best transformation in the series and the most iconic moment, but I don't like its design compared to SSGSS.

[sayian_nation_]

The new Super Saiyan god form should of been platinum spiked hair with white eyes completely white like Raiden in mortal kombat white and electric aura. That would of been dope, not a big fan of the blue hair either.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

No lame ass blue SSJs. I can't imagine ANYONE liking these forms more than the original SSJ transformation.

Add me to the list of people who prefer the new SS. From what I have seen and been described the aura looks great and they have used my favourite shade of blue.

[Analytical Delusion]

1) Freeza survives. I think it's a bit of a waste to bring back an iconic villain, for what amounted to 2 hours (I guess 4 months, in universe). Let him have some role in the next film, even if he's not the main threat. I would suggest bringing him on as Beerus's successor, but I kind of like the relationship the two of them have as it stands. Would have loved for his empire to have been re-established, at the very least.

2) More world-building. There was a ton in BoG, and by all accounts there doesn't seem to be very much at all in FnF. Nothing elaborate would be necessary, but maybe more insight into Freeza's empire and the structure of the organization would be nice (and maybe there is some at the beginning of the film, or in an extended edition, if one is produced). The other universes could have come into play I guess, but I'm not sure if they make sense with Freeza as a central figure.

3) I guess Buu sleeping works as far as the mythos about hibernations and such is concerned, but it would have been interesting to see Freeza react to him. I guess it could've been similar to his interaction with Beerus, but it's possible there'd be a different direction.

4) Would remove Gohan's line about *thinking* he can still become a SSJ (would be no reason for him to go 'ultimate'/'mystic' based on what we know). I'd also like Piccolo's losing to Shisame to be because of a cheap-shot, as opposed to fatigue from fighting flunkies.

5) It seems Tagoma is killed by Freeza in his ship. For a character who was mentioned as early on as he was, would've been nice if he had a bigger role, and was involved in combat to some extent.

[fadeddreams5]

No lame ass blue SSJs. I can't imagine ANYONE liking these forms more than the original SSJ transformation.

Add me to the list of people who prefer the new SS. From what I have seen and been described the aura looks great and they have used my favourite shade of blue.

Well, I guess I stand corrected. =O

[Jaetinh]

Replace Yamcha with Muten Roshi. Yeah, that's pretty much it. It's annoying the shit out of me that he didn't fight the Frieza soldiers.

[Lord Beerus]

• All characters appearing.

Wasn't that one of the main complaints about BOG? There were too many characters of too little significance getting screen time

• Bardock and Gine.

Um... why?

• A detailed Bardock vs Freeza/planet Vegeta's destruction.

Watch the TV special and Episode Of Bardock.

• Tights appearing.

I have to admit, I kinda wanted that to happen too. But she contributed nothing significant in the Dragon Ball universe, so it's not big loss if she doesn't appear again.

[ekrolo2]

I'm already doing that in my fan fic *cough shame less plug: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11161847/1 ... Gods-Wrath cough* but the things I'd change officially I could are:

1) Abo & Kao were Sorbets replacements for Freeeza but bailed on him.
2) Sorbet learns of Earth from those twos scouters and revives Freeza one month after Yo Son Goku!
3) Freeza's revival takes the power of two wishes, the last the Pilaf gang would use to gain youth but get turned into kids (for BoG).
3) Freeza spends 3-4 years training instead of just 4 months.
4) He spies on Earth and adopts their training methods, fusion dance and uses android technology to boost some of his mens powers up (namely Shisami).
5) Yamcha & Chaotzu join the fray to kick some ass too.
6) Freeza actually masters his powers properly and completely kicks the asses of Goku & Vegeta who fight him both at once .
7) No Whis time travel bull shit.
Beerus VS Freeza happens with Beerus using 100% of his power to wipe away Freeza from existence himself, making sure he can't come back again.
9) Piccolo seals away the DBs so no one outside the Z fighters can use them.
10) Vegeta leaves to space to clean up whats left of the PTO as Sorbet gets away during Freeza's fight with Beerus.

[FoolsGil]

Chaozu and Yamcha show up because fuck Tenshinhan, he's not the boss of them.

[fadeddreams5]

• Bardock and Gine.

Um... why?

The same reason Broly should have made a cameo.

You don't question these things!

[Cetra]

Replace Freeza with Broly. Golden hair (completely, no green parts and a bright shining aura) Broly = Goldy, the full power Legendary Super-Saiyajin

Make him have a fight with Goku and Vegeta.

And that's it.