Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
nitwit wrote:Something I always wonder? Does Imperfect Cell have to eat normal food outside of human absorption? I never saw him eat food as he has a mouth. But he doesn't eat or drink the stuff. Just uses his tail to suck people up. No offense?
No, he is part Namekian. So he wouldn't get any substance out of it. But I do imagine that adsorbing people does constitute as food for him.
Thanks, Gog!
Though it's funny that Piccolo gets to eat food in the series.
Cell absorbing people could be considered food, I guess?
LightBing wrote:The in-universe explanation is probably Goku's selfishness. At the time Goku still didn't care about the next generation. He also didn't need a strong training partner, it turns out Piccolo proved enough to fulfil the quota.
Goku was all about getting himself some killer Androids to play with and he didn't care about much else. This is visible when he knows the heart-virus is kicking in and he still fights #19. Why not tag Piccolo in?
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
ekrolo2 wrote:What exactly is the rationale of Gohan not being taught how to go Super Saiyan during the three-year training?
Honestly, it was weird that he needed to be taught in the first place. Super Saiyan is a huge power up from rage, you think that'd be something he'd get without Goku helping.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
Let's say a European country did a dub of original Dragon Ball in the early to mid nineties using the AB Group's edited version as a base. Let's say they finish around 1999 or 2000. They reach Dragon Ball Z shortly after the AB Groups gets the rights to distribute the English Sagan dub in Europe. The foreign dub I mentioned earlier notices this alternative version, which of course has several scenes and episodes cut... but this company likes how Funk censored violence and includes scenes the AB Group cut from their version. Would it have been possible back then to legally create a dub combining the two sources (granted this company would have to pay Fuji for the M/E audio of their version, but let's say doing so would be cheaper than for this company to make a censored version from scratch (not to mention lacking the tech to due stuff like virtual paint by themselves at that moment). Naturally this company would want to use the French footage whenever possible. What would such a hybrid look and sound like? Can someone here make a clip using the edited AB Group version and the Saban dub showing what such a version would look like? (With regards to either violence censorship or restoring scenes the AB Groups cut)?
And no, the hypothetical company wouldn't have access to uncut footage, just those two edited versions...let's say this company had access to manta translations from the Japanese ala the German dub (not the same translation though) for good measure.
Robo4900 wrote:Mouse is BRILLIANT SCIENTIST dumb.
CAT LOVES FOOD dumb.
Jack is just kinda dumb.
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It's believable someone would name a mouse Jack.
It's not at all believable someone would call a mouse Mouse.
Takes you straight out of the experience.
Neither line is good, but Funi's is so much worse [when compared to Blue Water's].
I really like Fusion Reborn's color palette, I would have much preferred if they used that for the Buu Saga. Not that there's a thing wrong with the color palette in the Buu Saga, just that the Fusion Reborn one is much better.
Vegetto's outfit in the Future Trunks arc doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you think about it. Shouldn't it have been battle damaged given that was the state Goku and Vegeta outfits were when they fused with the Potara earrings? And how come Vegetto didn't have Vegeta's chest armour as well?
Just a minor nitpick. I mean, I like Vegetto, but they should at least be consistent with how he looks.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:Vegetto's outfit in the Future Trunks arc doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you think about it. Shouldn't it have been battle damaged given that was the state Goku and Vegeta outfits were when they fused with the Potara earrings? And how come Vegetto didn't have Vegeta's chest armour as well?
Just a minor nitpick. I mean, I like Vegetto, but they should at least be consistent with how he looks.
Vegetto should have gotten a whole new design as a consequence of the F outfits remaining in use but what can you do, Dragon Ball is Super chicken shit these days.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Lord Beerus wrote:Vegetto's outfit in the Future Trunks arc doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you think about it. Shouldn't it have been battle damaged given that was the state Goku and Vegeta outfits were when they fused with the Potara earrings? And how come Vegetto didn't have Vegeta's chest armour as well?
Just a minor nitpick. I mean, I like Vegetto, but they should at least be consistent with how he looks.
Vegetto takes from both characters outfit wise. Technically Vegettos outfit is still a combination of both characters outfits. They'res nothing saying he has to get the chest armour just because Vegeta has it.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
Lord Beerus wrote:Vegetto's outfit in the Future Trunks arc doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you think about it. Shouldn't it have been battle damaged given that was the state Goku and Vegeta outfits were when they fused with the Potara earrings? And how come Vegetto didn't have Vegeta's chest armour as well?
Just a minor nitpick. I mean, I like Vegetto, but they should at least be consistent with how he looks.
I don't think it's too glaring if tackled from another angle. Of the three examples of Potara fusion (Kibitoshin, Vegetto, & Zamasu), they're all considered new vessels. I think they're born with an established look (with Kaioshin participants seeming to possess a "united sync" in voice). Vegetto maintaining his previous appearance could be perceived as the character returning from his mental dimension, so to speak. With some flexibility, it's not as if there's a rule for Vegetto to break. At least, that's something to consider.
Still baffled about this. Uh how was imperfect Cell capable of increasing his strength to a level surpassing the androids just by adsorbing the humans? Was the gap between them small? Was his power multiplied against the humans?
Gog wrote:Still baffled about this. Uh how was imperfect Cell capable of increasing his strength to a level surpassing the androids just by adsorbing the humans? Was the gap between them small? Was his power multiplied against the humans?
Gog wrote:Still baffled about this. Uh how was imperfect Cell capable of increasing his strength to a level surpassing the androids just by adsorbing the humans? Was the gap between them small? Was his power multiplied against the humans?
He just absorbed a shit ton of them.
So did three quarters of the human population disappear?
Gog wrote:So did three quarters of the human population disappear?
Cell was absorbing the humans' biomass and not just adding the humans' power to his own.
We don't know how he was programmed anyways. For all we know he could work like a computer: you input a PL of 5, it processes and gives an output of 500, increasing Cell's power by 500 points per human.
Cell absorbs 15,000 humans before facing Piccolo but still gets his ass kicked. He then goes on to absorb at least 600,000 humans after that, obtaining power that puts him way above Piccolo and #17.
Manga Goku black is a metaphor for a bully because he flees from his original timeline due to being a weakling who couldn't properly use Goku's body. To get stronger, he bullied Future Trunks for over a year. When he finally meets someone who can beat him up, he whines and cries about it and only becomes smug again when he has the advantage.And trunks is metaphor for standing up and he call his daddy Vegeta to beat up Goku black
this is some deep shit for a promotional manga.What are your thoughts on this
Lord Beerus wrote:Vegetto's outfit in the Future Trunks arc doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you think about it. Shouldn't it have been battle damaged given that was the state Goku and Vegeta outfits were when they fused with the Potara earrings? And how come Vegetto didn't have Vegeta's chest armour as well?
Just a minor nitpick. I mean, I like Vegetto, but they should at least be consistent with how he looks.
I don't think it's too glaring if tackled from another angle. Of the three examples of Potara fusion (Kibitoshin, Vegetto, & Zamasu), they're all considered new vessels. I think they're born with an established look (with Kaioshin participants seeming to possess a "united sync" in voice). Vegetto maintaining his previous appearance could be perceived as the character returning from his mental dimension, so to speak. With some flexibility, it's not as if there's a rule for Vegetto to break. At least, that's something to consider.
Yeah I think that is the best explanation. I was a bit mad about it myself as it wasn't a proper fusion of the clothes they were wearing and I just thought it was lazy of them to not create a new outfit based on their current apparel.
