Ginyu...What if?

[Perfect]

What if Ginyu switched bodies with Gotenks...? I know it'd never happen, but just, what if?
I can't come to any logical conclusion of what would happen.

[LeprikanGT]

I would assume when they split, he would either be in the stronger of the 2 or he would split into two Ginyu's being the same and then start to diversify as time goes on. [See Multiplicity]

[Rocketman]

Gotenks is a separate being from Goten and Trunks. When the Fusion ran out, you'd have Goten, Trunks and Gotenks-in-Ginyu's-body.

[LeprikanGT]

Actualy You'd have a Goten and Trunks trapped inside a Ginyu body and a Ginyu in a body that would be splitting soon...or either the ginyu body splitting since the fusion is body AND mind.

I see someone not coming out living.

[Rocketman]

Actualy You'd have a Goten and Trunks trapped inside a Ginyu body

Why? Gotenks is his own person.

[LeprikanGT]

Because when Ginyu and Goku change, we see their spirit or whatever switch bodies, since there are two inside gotenks, both would switch to Ginyu's body.

And even if not, Gotenks would switch and that Gotenks would be the one to split into 2 people.

[Kaboom]

If pressed to come up with a solution to this particular conundrum, I'd say Ginyu wouldn't be capable of switching bodies with a Fusion (Dance OR Potara) in the first place. His technique apparently works by swapping souls, one for one, so odds are it wouldn't even be compatible against something that's essentially two souls in one body.

I know, I know. That's no fun.

[Rocketman]

Because when Ginyu and Goku change, we see their spirit or whatever switch bodies, since there are two inside gotenks, both would switch to Ginyu's body.

That's what I said. Gotenks is his own being, with his own spirit. Goten and Trunks don't exist anymore while fused.

[Senzu_Bean]

Which raises another interesting question: what would have happened if Gotenks died? Would he stay dead as Gotenks forever? What about Trunks and Goten?

[dbgtFO]

Which raises another interesting question: what would have happened if Gotenks died? Would he stay dead as Gotenks forever? What about Trunks and Goten?

I can't compare it to Old Kaioshin, since we are dealing with 2 different forms of fusion. So my view on it is that if Gotenks dies, the magic will stop working and he will be split into Goten and Trunks, who would still be alive. Meaning I don't think a fusion character can die like normal people.
That is also why I believe, that Veku in movie 12 was killed in this way rather than defusing at that exact moment.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

Actualy You'd have a Goten and Trunks trapped inside a Ginyu body

Why? Gotenks is his own person.

Based on Buu, even if Gotenks is 'used' (absorbed, changed into, whatever) when he's his own person, there will be an effect when the fusion wears off. I can't agree with your idea that Ginyu would have all three in the event that happened. The fusion would wear off and there would be some effect.

And this isn't absorption. There's no way that Ginyu could be in the body of 'both' once they split. Ginyu's mind would either divide somehow and there'd be a 1/2 Ginyu in Goten and a 1/2 Ginyu in Trunks (like the 'Son of Kattatsu' splitting into Piccolo and Kami-Sama; they become their own beings, but are still only 'half' of each other), or somehow, the fusion would just remain perpetual because when he changed, he changed into Gotenks. That would mean that unlike the changes shown in the series, the body he changed into wouldn't have its mind swapped into the changer's body, but I'd imagine Goten and Trunks would both cease to exist. At the time, they were Gotenks, and now Ginyu is Gotenks. Or well, I guess the soul of the being known as Gotenks would go into Ginyu's previous body, but Goten and Trunks would never exist again...their fused mind wouldn't split, and Gotenks' fused body would never unfuse, as a result of the change technique. I think that's probably what'd most likely happen, actually...so I guess I do agree with Rocketman after all.

If I changed my point halfway through or contradicted myself in any way, please forgive me; I am very sick and just had a Hell of a time getting ready and to class on time this morning, for which I have been too sick to do the assignment that's due, and am now wandering around on DaizEX as a form of escapism <_< >_>

[Godo]

I guess that it wouldn't work, since the fusion is magic.
But if it would work, maybe the following would happen:

Ginyu (Ginyu)
Gotenks (Gotenks)

Body Switch

Ginyu (Gotenks)
Gotenks (Ginyu)

Ginyu (Gotenks) goes on with his life, terrifying Bulma and Chichi, who have to adapt to their sons being a cocky and fugly mutant, or if we count continuity, where Ginyu's frog body was transported to Earth with Goku's wish, Gotenks would live forever as a Namek frog. He would be the only one of his kind too!

Gotenks (Ginyu) may become permanent, since there isn't two souls to split into, or simply, Gotenks (Ginyu) will split into Goten and Trunks' bodies, and Ginyu's soul would float around Earth for eternity, never able to reach the Heavenly Realm or switch bodies with someone again.
What a drag, Ginyu!

[dbgtFO]

I guess that it wouldn't work, since the fusion is magic.
But if it would work, maybe the following would happen:

Ginyu (Ginyu)
Gotenks (Gotenks)

Body Switch

Ginyu (Gotenks)
Gotenks (Ginyu)

Ginyu (Gotenks) goes on with his life, terrifying Bulma and Chichi, who have to adapt to their sons being a cocky and fugly mutant, or if we count continuity, where Ginyu's frog body was transported to Earth with Goku's wish, Gotenks would live forever as a Namek frog. He would be the only one of his kind too!

Gotenks (Ginyu) may become permanent, since there isn't two souls to split into, or simply, Gotenks (Ginyu) will split into Goten and Trunks' bodies, and Ginyu's soul would float around Earth for eternity, never able to reach the Heavenly Realm or switch bodies with someone again.
What a drag, Ginyu!

So if I understood it right the soul of Gotenks would be trapped inside the frog, while Ginyu's soul would drift across the land, since his body(Gotenks' body) split into Goten & Trunks? Then what about the bodies of Goten and Trunks? They would just be soulless then!!

[Saimaroimaru]

I guess that it wouldn't work, since the fusion is magic.
But if it would work, maybe the following would happen:

Ginyu (Ginyu)
Gotenks (Gotenks)

Body Switch

Ginyu (Gotenks)
Gotenks (Ginyu)

Ginyu (Gotenks) goes on with his life, terrifying Bulma and Chichi, who have to adapt to their sons being a cocky and fugly mutant, or if we count continuity, where Ginyu's frog body was transported to Earth with Goku's wish, Gotenks would live forever as a Namek frog. He would be the only one of his kind too!

Gotenks (Ginyu) may become permanent, since there isn't two souls to split into, or simply, Gotenks (Ginyu) will split into Goten and Trunks' bodies, and Ginyu's soul would float around Earth for eternity, never able to reach the Heavenly Realm or switch bodies with someone again.
What a drag, Ginyu!

So if I understood it right the soul of Gotenks would be trapped inside the frog, while Ginyu's soul would drift across the land, since his body(Gotenks' body) split into Goten & Trunks? Then what about the bodies of Goten and Trunks? They would just be soulless then!!

Zombie Saiyan-Human hybrids? Epic.

[Godo]

So if I understood it right the soul of Gotenks would be trapped inside the frog, while Ginyu's soul would drift across the land, since his body(Gotenks' body) split into Goten & Trunks? Then what about the bodies of Goten and Trunks? They would just be soulless then!!

We would rather have two dead bodies just lying there rotting. Of course, there would have to be a funeral for the bodies too before the stench becomes unbearable for their relatives.
In fact, I think that Chichi mourns so badly that she enbalms Goten's body and places him into his bed, where he just seems to be sleeping. Of course, Gohan has to be the one who cleans the room as Chichi can't handle it, and everytime he goes in there he has a shiver down his spine over the mere thought of this sick problem that they have.
I mean, there is his brother, whose soul doesn't even exist anymore, half-rotten and embalmed, stinking of a pungent smell of death, just lying there as he was just about to wake up as a zombie.
This, of course, leads to Gotenks in the frog body to be ignored by Chichi, and Bulma has to take care of the frog, giving it flies every now and then and giving it baths.
Vegeta, though, never gets that the frog is now Gotenks, and still thinks that it's Ginyu in there, so he uses it as a football, kicking it from places to places, just like he did to Frog-Ginyu at Namek.
Eventually Frog-Gotenks gets too beat up and dies.
Bulma prepares a ceremony just to find out that her mother has thrown the frog in the trash, thinking that it was just another frog.
Having lost the only thing remembering her of her son, she goes to the junkyard and searches for the body, something that she would continue to do until her death caused by cancer from radioactive waste.

Gohan moves out from his home, and starts a hermit-like lifestyle where he isolates himself from everyone else and performs experiments in his lab.
He wants for his mother to regain her mental health, so he uses tissue samples from Goten and Trunks and attempts to clone them.
Unfortunately, this would prove to be unsuccessful and Gohan died from pneumonia at the age of 32.

Vegeta feels alone in the Capsule Corp as Bulma has deserted him, so he goes out into space for entertainment and to create a new Saiya-jin planet so that he can become the king.
After a series of events which lead to him getting lost in space, he eventually suffocated to death after accidentally poking a hole in his space pod when he tried to open a can of Campbell's soup. Realizing there was no way out, he created a ki shield with the remaining oxygen and tried to find a planet with a suitable atmosphere, but he died before he landed on a planet that matched his criteria.
Somewhere in deep space, on a planet far away, his remains can still be found.

Piccolo accidentally drank some water contaminated with heavy metals and was blinded and severely crippled and lived the rest of his life getting his diapers switched by Mr. Popo, and reminiscing of old times where he was the greatest fighter.

Yamcha and Kuririn went on a trip to find Gohan, and unfortunately died in a massive car crash as Yamcha fell asleep behind the wheel, insisting that not getting a room in a motel over the night would save them some time so that they could catch the premiere of Dragonball Evolution.

Goku never noticed any of these events and lived on with Oob until he became old and passed away in his sleep with a smile on his lips.

Pretty fascinating, eh?

[Ahiru77]

What if Ginyu switched bodies with Gotenks...? I know it'd never happen, but just, what if?
I can't come to any logical conclusion of what would happen.

Gotenks would be dancing....if he didn't already.

[Rocketman]

Then what about the bodies of Goten and Trunks? They would just be soulless then!! :shock:

No, they'd just be regular Goten and Trunks. Gotenks's soul is a separate entity from them. Why is it that no matter how many times I repeat this nobody listens.

[Piccolo Daimao]

So if I understood it right the soul of Gotenks would be trapped inside the frog, while Ginyu's soul would drift across the land, since his body(Gotenks' body) split into Goten & Trunks? Then what about the bodies of Goten and Trunks? They would just be soulless then!!

We would rather have two dead bodies just lying there rotting. Of course, there would have to be a funeral for the bodies too before the stench becomes unbearable for their relatives.
In fact, I think that Chichi mourns so badly that she enbalms Goten's body and places him into his bed, where he just seems to be sleeping. Of course, Gohan has to be the one who cleans the room as Chichi can't handle it, and everytime he goes in there he has a shiver down his spine over the mere thought of this sick problem that they have.
I mean, there is his brother, whose soul doesn't even exist anymore, half-rotten and embalmed, stinking of a pungent smell of death, just lying there as he was just about to wake up as a zombie.
This, of course, leads to Gotenks in the frog body to be ignored by Chichi, and Bulma has to take care of the frog, giving it flies every now and then and giving it baths.
Vegeta, though, never gets that the frog is now Gotenks, and still thinks that it's Ginyu in there, so he uses it as a football, kicking it from places to places, just like he did to Frog-Ginyu at Namek.
Eventually Frog-Gotenks gets too beat up and dies.
Bulma prepares a ceremony just to find out that her mother has thrown the frog in the trash, thinking that it was just another frog.
Having lost the only thing remembering her of her son, she goes to the junkyard and searches for the body, something that she would continue to do until her death caused by cancer from radioactive waste.

Gohan moves out from his home, and starts a hermit-like lifestyle where he isolates himself from everyone else and performs experiments in his lab.
He wants for his mother to regain her mental health, so he uses tissue samples from Goten and Trunks and attempts to clone them.
Unfortunately, this would prove to be unsuccessful and Gohan died from pneumonia at the age of 32.

Vegeta feels alone in the Capsule Corp as Bulma has deserted him, so he goes out into space for entertainment and to create a new Saiya-jin planet so that he can become the king.
After a series of events which lead to him getting lost in space, he eventually suffocated to death after accidentally poking a hole in his space pod when he tried to open a can of Campbell's soup. Realizing there was no way out, he created a ki shield with the remaining oxygen and tried to find a planet with a suitable atmosphere, but he died before he landed on a planet that matched his criteria.
Somewhere in deep space, on a planet far away, his remains can still be found.

Piccolo accidentally drank some water contaminated with heavy metals and was blinded and severely crippled and lived the rest of his life getting his diapers switched by Mr. Popo, and reminiscing of old times where he was the greatest fighter.

Yamcha and Kuririn went on a trip to find Gohan, and unfortunately died in a massive car crash as Yamcha fell asleep behind the wheel, insisting that not getting a room in a motel over the night would save them some time so that they could catch the premiere of Dragonball Evolution.

Goku never noticed any of these events and lived on with Oob until he became old and passed away in his sleep with a smile on his lips.

Pretty fascinating, eh?

The greatest post I've read all day.

[Godo]

Then what about the bodies of Goten and Trunks? They would just be soulless then!!

No, they'd just be regular Goten and Trunks. Gotenks's soul is a separate entity from them. Why is it that no matter how many times I repeat this nobody listens.

Maybe it's not as simple as you make it. We are speaking about fusion here. That would mean that Goten and Trunks' souls fused into Gotenks' soul, just as their ki and bodies did. There was no soul in Gotenks that was made from scratch and from nothing.
Thus, if Ginyu switched bodies with Gotenks, Goten and Trunks' souls would cease to exist, since Gotenks' soul wouldn't split into Goten and Trunks' souls.

[Piccolo Daimao]

If pressed to come up with a solution to this particular conundrum, I'd say Ginyu wouldn't be capable of switching bodies with a Fusion (Dance OR Potara) in the first place. His technique apparently works by swapping souls, one for one, so odds are it wouldn't even be compatible against something that's essentially two souls in one body.

I know, I know. That's no fun.

I agree. I don't think it can make sense otherwise. It would be too complicated and beyond the limits of what Ginyu's Body Change can do: swap one soul for another. Trying to swap souls with one temporary being who has two souls in one body would be too much for Ginyu.

What about if Ginyu tried body-swapping with Piccolo, who'd fused with Nail or God? If he tried it after Piccolo's fused with Nail and God? Since Piccolo's still Piccolo, would Ginyu just swap a soul for a soul? Would it be impossible? Or something else?