Unpopular DB opinions

[ABED]

To be fair, it was like that before F. If Vegeta or Goku actually learned from their past mistakes, the Buu saga could of been easily avoided.

Vegeta did learn by the end and Goku wasn't at fault for Buu.

Goku. Was at fault for Buu, so was Vegeta and Babiddi. Goku could have ended the threat of Buu before it even began.

If Toriyama had created Super Saiyan 3 back then, you'd be right, but he didn't so it's a complete retcon.

[Gog]

Vegeta did learn by the end and Goku wasn't at fault for Buu.

Goku. Was at fault for Buu, so was Vegeta and Babiddi. Goku could have ended the threat of Buu before it even began.

If Toriyama had created Super Saiyan 3 back then, you'd be right, but he didn't so it's a complete retcon.

Unfortunately Retcon's are what stick. Not what comes before them

[ABED]

And when morally evaluating the characters, I'm not obligate to only consider material post-retcon.

[Kanassa]

And when morally evaluating the characters, I'm not obligate to only consider material post-retcon.

Wwhy? When evaluating a character we look from an In-universe perspective, and from an in-universe perspective retcons just means it still happened.

[ABED]

And when morally evaluating the characters, I'm not obligate to only consider material post-retcon.

Wwhy? When evaluating a character we look from an In-universe perspective, and from an in-universe perspective retcons just means it still happened.

Feel free because I can't when it creates a complete inconsistency in both story and character. How can you hold it against a character for acting immorally if it's not in character?

[Kanassa]

And when morally evaluating the characters, I'm not obligate to only consider material post-retcon.

Wwhy? When evaluating a character we look from an In-universe perspective, and from an in-universe perspective retcons just means it still happened.

Feel free because I can't when it creates a complete inconsistency in both story and character. How can you hold it against a character for acting immorally if it's not in character?

Because the character still did it. The writer wrote that they did it and that their character would do so.

[ABED]

Because the character still did it. The writer wrote that they did it and that their character would do so.

But it's not consistent with the character he created.

[Kanassa]

Because the character still did it. The writer wrote that they did it and that their character would do so.

But it's not consistent with the character he created.

And yet the character still did it. That fact doesn't change. Goku still did it.

[ABED]

Because the character still did it. The writer wrote that they did it and that their character would do so.

But it's not consistent with the character he created.

And yet the character still did it. That fact doesn't change. Goku still did it.

It absolutely matters because there's no in universe explanation for why Goku did what he did. You can't correctly morally evaluate a character because of bad writing. So no, Goku didn't just do that, he also fought Vegeta when he was on a level playing field, but you are intentionally dismissing that because it doesn't fit your thesis.

If a character was written to be totally honest and above board, but one day cheats on his spouse, would you say the character is immoral or would you say the writer wrote inconsistently?

[Kanassa]

But it's not consistent with the character he created.

And yet the character still did it. That fact doesn't change. Goku still did it.

It absolutely matters because there's no in universe explanation for why Goku did what he did. You can't correctly morally evaluate a character because of bad writing. So no, Goku didn't just do that, he also fought Vegeta when he was on a level playing field, but you are intentionally dismissing that because it doesn't fit your thesis.?

Intentionally dismissing? I;m not dissmissing it, I just don't know what that has to do with this.

If a character was written to be totally honest and above board, but one day cheats on his spouse, would you say the character is immoral or would you say the writer wrote inconsistently

The character is immoral because of the writer's inconsistency, because he's the writer.

[Gog]

Okay ABED Goku's an idiotic, moronic, naive, uneducated, asshole, who is perpetually happy. His super incarnation, is just most true to that. Actually unpopular opinion. Super Goku is not only the best version of him, but he's also a natural progression of him.

[ABED]

And yet the character still did it. That fact doesn't change. Goku still did it.

It absolutely matters because there's no in universe explanation for why Goku did what he did. You can't correctly morally evaluate a character because of bad writing. So no, Goku didn't just do that, he also fought Vegeta when he was on a level playing field, but you are intentionally dismissing that because it doesn't fit your thesis.?

Intentionally dismissing? I;m not dissmissing it, I just don't know what that has to do with this.

If a character was written to be totally honest and above board, but one day cheats on his spouse, would you say the character is immoral or would you say the writer wrote inconsistently

The character is immoral because of the writer's inconsistency, because he's the writer.

No, the writers is just inconsistent. I find your responses ridiculous. You can't morally evaluate a character that is all over the map because the writer needs to be what he needs him to be at any given moment. You'd be cherry picking. I can just as easily say that Goku fought Vegeta because he was forced into it. He couldn't have stopped Vegeta because they were about even. We would both be correct.

You are absolutely dismissing it and the fact that you don't know what it has to do with this issue isn't my fault. I've used plain English.

Okay ABED Goku's an idiotic, moronic, naive, uneducated, asshole, who is perpetually happy. His super incarnation, is just most true to that. Actually unpopular opinion. Super Goku is not only the best version of him, but he's also a natural progression of him.

And why should we care as long as he's interesting? It's a story, not real life.

[Soppa Saia People]

Okay ABED Goku's an idiotic, moronic, naive, uneducated, asshole, who is perpetually happy. His super incarnation, is just most true to that. Actually unpopular opinion. Super Goku is not only the best version of him, but he's also a natural progression of him.

So 5 steps back are progression ?

[Gog]

Okay ABED Goku's an idiotic, moronic, naive, uneducated, asshole, who is perpetually happy. His super incarnation, is just most true to that. Actually unpopular opinion. Super Goku is not only the best version of him, but he's also a natural progression of him.

So 5 steps back are progression ?

In a way yes, by that you mean, when you walk 5 steps back, you walk forward. 5 steps

[Soppa Saia People]

Okay ABED Goku's an idiotic, moronic, naive, uneducated, asshole, who is perpetually happy. His super incarnation, is just most true to that. Actually unpopular opinion. Super Goku is not only the best version of him, but he's also a natural progression of him.

So 5 steps back are progression ?

In a way yes, by that you mean, when you walk 5 steps back, you walk forward. 5 steps

Okay ?
How is Super Goku better then Boo saga Goku or Saiyan saga Goku or Kid Goku ?

[Gog]

So 5 steps back are progression ?

In a way yes, by that you mean, when you walk 5 steps back, you walk forward. 5 steps

Okay ?
How is Super Goku better then Boo saga Goku or Saiyan saga Goku or Kid Goku ?

He's a natural progression of the Buu saga, he has fully embraced his stupid, assholishness, Nativity. Too many freebies can do that to a man

[Soppa Saia People]

In a way yes, by that you mean, when you walk 5 steps back, you walk forward. 5 steps

Okay ?
How is Super Goku better then Boo saga Goku or Saiyan saga Goku or Kid Goku ?

He's a natural progression of the Buu saga, he has fully embraced his stupid, assholishness, Nativity. Too many freebies can do that to a man

How is that good ?

[Gog]

Okay ?
How is Super Goku better then Boo saga Goku or Saiyan saga Goku or Kid Goku ?

He's a natural progression of the Buu saga, he has fully embraced his stupid, assholishness, Nativity. Too many freebies can do that to a man

How is that good ?

Its an interesting development, rarely done. I'm glad to see it

[Soppa Saia People]

He's a natural progression of the Buu saga, he has fully embraced his stupid, assholishness, Nativity. Too many freebies can do that to a man

How is that good ?

Its an interesting development, rarely done. I'm glad to see it

It's more of a regression.
I doubt that Toei or Toriyama looked back on the Boo saga and were like "Hey, why don't we just completely ruin this character and call it development". You're looking for something that isn't there.

[Noah]

Super!Goku is the worst portrayal of Goku by far, it makes the character less appealing to me, which is sad considering he's the main deal.