
I see his death posture parodied quite a lot in anime. Is his death quite a famous one for an anime/manga series?
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Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
That's actually very true. I never really put much thought into his death in the Saiyan arc, but it is rather tragic (though I guess all of them are in a way).eledoremassis02 wrote:I think, at least for me, he died is a rather realistic pose. It really stuck out from the rest I think.
Kyle Broflovski wrote:It's all real. Think about it. Haven't Luke Skywalker and Santa Claus affected your lives more than most real people in this room? I mean, whether Jesus is real or not, he - he's had a bigger impact on the world than any of us have. And the same can be said for Bugs Bunny and - and Superman and Harry Potter. They've changed my life - changed the way I act on the earth. Doesn't that make them kind of real? They might be imaginary but, but they're more important than most of us here. And they're all gonna be around here long after we're dead. So, in a way, those things are more realer than any of us.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less about the fans a re-issue might alienate because if all they're concerned about is being able to scalp the people who were either unaware of the Dragon Boxes or couldn't afford them at the time, they're just leeches and deserve to have their greed backfire on them.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
It's funny, a lot of people talk about how characters changed quite quickly... Vegeta for example, and now Yamucha..Gokuden wrote:It was the only death in the series that didn't fit to me. Yamcha in DragonBall was cold and calculating, and when we reached the Saiyan Arc in Z, it seems like he's this loose frat student that's so full of himself, and can barely forsee that turning your back on the opponent (One of the first rules in any martial arts practice) is never a good idea. Maybe his death was to teach kids not to turn their backs on the aggressor?
I don't know, but I feel this character had way more potential. Though, the way he was laying there, on the ground, it spoke to me, I felt so bad, I think I even cried when I first saw him like this.
Raditz scared him to death.LordCrumb wrote:It's funny, a lot of people talk about how characters changed quite quickly... Vegeta for example, and now Yamucha..Gokuden wrote:It was the only death in the series that didn't fit to me. Yamcha in DragonBall was cold and calculating, and when we reached the Saiyan Arc in Z, it seems like he's this loose frat student that's so full of himself, and can barely forsee that turning your back on the opponent (One of the first rules in any martial arts practice) is never a good idea. Maybe his death was to teach kids not to turn their backs on the aggressor?
I don't know, but I feel this character had way more potential. Though, the way he was laying there, on the ground, it spoke to me, I felt so bad, I think I even cried when I first saw him like this.
But I can't say I have ever seen anyone complain about how quickly Piccolo changed. One episode he's still the bad guy, the next he's helping the Z warriors.
Kuririn on the films was basically a useless character that'd just be there to be knocked out with one punch/kick and I don't even remember them being comical, it was more disappointing than anything else.Kid Buu wrote:It seems Toriyama had no idea what to do with Yamcha and Tenshinhan here; Toriyama basically just sacked them out of convenience.
You could argue that even as a child, Piccolo wasn't inherently evil like his 'father', he was actually awkward, and even helped an old couple. However, as junior kept replaying the memories of his 'father' vs Goku he became gradually bitter. And growing up alone made human emotions like 'love' difficult, as well as friendships impossible. His sole focus in life was to defeat Goku.LordCrumb wrote:It's funny, a lot of people talk about how characters changed quite quickly... Vegeta for example, and now Yamucha..Gokuden wrote:It was the only death in the series that didn't fit to me. Yamcha in DragonBall was cold and calculating, and when we reached the Saiyan Arc in Z, it seems like he's this loose frat student that's so full of himself, and can barely forsee that turning your back on the opponent (One of the first rules in any martial arts practice) is never a good idea. Maybe his death was to teach kids not to turn their backs on the aggressor?
I don't know, but I feel this character had way more potential. Though, the way he was laying there, on the ground, it spoke to me, I felt so bad, I think I even cried when I first saw him like this.
But I can't say I have ever seen anyone complain about how quickly Piccolo changed. One episode he's still the bad guy, the next he's helping the Z warriors.
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less about the fans a re-issue might alienate because if all they're concerned about is being able to scalp the people who were either unaware of the Dragon Boxes or couldn't afford them at the time, they're just leeches and deserve to have their greed backfire on them.
Well, Yamcha thought he could beat Shen even though even a blind man can see that he's losing.Gokuden wrote:It was the only death in the series that didn't fit to me. Yamcha in DragonBall was cold and calculating, and when we reached the Saiyan Arc in Z, it seems like he's this loose frat student that's so full of himself, and can barely forsee that turning your back on the opponent (One of the first rules in any martial arts practice) is never a good idea. Maybe his death was to teach kids not to turn their backs on the aggressor?
I don't know, but I feel this character had way more potential. Though, the way he was laying there, on the ground, it spoke to me, I felt so bad, I think I even cried when I first saw him like this.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
You may call me présomptueux, but if I saw Shen, I would think I could beat him as well. That was sly thing for Kami, the guardian of the Earth to do. I'm sure it weighed in on the situation too.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Well, Yamcha thought he could beat Shen even though even a blind man can see that he's losing.Gokuden wrote:It was the only death in the series that didn't fit to me. Yamcha in DragonBall was cold and calculating, and when we reached the Saiyan Arc in Z, it seems like he's this loose frat student that's so full of himself, and can barely forsee that turning your back on the opponent (One of the first rules in any martial arts practice) is never a good idea. Maybe his death was to teach kids not to turn their backs on the aggressor?
I don't know, but I feel this character had way more potential. Though, the way he was laying there, on the ground, it spoke to me, I felt so bad, I think I even cried when I first saw him like this.
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less about the fans a re-issue might alienate because if all they're concerned about is being able to scalp the people who were either unaware of the Dragon Boxes or couldn't afford them at the time, they're just leeches and deserve to have their greed backfire on them.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
At first sight I can understand doubting Shen but when the guy is practically playing paddy cake with your signature move then you gotta know to fight for real.Gokuden wrote:You may call me présomptueux, but if I saw Shen, I would think I could beat him as well. That was sly thing for Kami, the guardian of the Earth to do. I'm sure it weighed in on the situation too.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Well, Yamcha thought he could beat Shen even though even a blind man can see that he's losing.Gokuden wrote:It was the only death in the series that didn't fit to me. Yamcha in DragonBall was cold and calculating, and when we reached the Saiyan Arc in Z, it seems like he's this loose frat student that's so full of himself, and can barely forsee that turning your back on the opponent (One of the first rules in any martial arts practice) is never a good idea. Maybe his death was to teach kids not to turn their backs on the aggressor?
I don't know, but I feel this character had way more potential. Though, the way he was laying there, on the ground, it spoke to me, I felt so bad, I think I even cried when I first saw him like this.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.