Son Goten Appreciation thread

[TheGmGoken]

I figured since it's been awhile since the last one was posted, I would be allowed to post this one(It was going to happen one day.). However if VegettoEX doesn't want this thread to be open then it's understandable.

I created these threads to show appreciation and no negativity to a certain character. So if you don't have anything nice to say then don't post. Quite simple. I started this with my favorite bad guy which is Freeza (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=27913). So I think Goten is a good choice. I'll do my least favorite villain (Majin Boo) and Least favorite character (Ten). So I call dips on those two. Just kidding but I will gladly join the discussion. Keep in mind. Just like all my post these are pre-written. So if you're confused if I start making a lot (which I won't as they'll be locked) it's because these was written waaay before I posted these. This Goten one was written on July 26th 2014.


I posted this earlier but I felt the need to repost it after deletion as this is one of my more in depth and detailed post. Which is rare from me I admit. My apologies for that.


Goten is the greatest character in the Dragonball Franchise. He's what Dragonball Represents and even have real life influence. He's charming, adorable, funny, childish, and honestly quite an awesome personality. He's like a baby! When he waved goodbye to Gohan cause he wanted to go to school with him was just adorable. He doesn't take much seriously. Just like Toriyama don't want people to take DB seriously. Hell unlike Trunks when s*** got real Goten got serious.

Just compare their efforts in the ROSAT. Goten said "f*** PLAYING AROUND" and started training ASAP. Trunks tried to take it slow. Goten4life. He shows friendship BETTER than any other character. Besides when they're in trouble how often do the Z gang hang with each other? A once or twice a year gathering doesn't count. That's very rare. Goten shows what friendship really is. Just enjoying and competing with each other. Not every character not to be serious(Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan(Rage), Ten, Yamcha(To a degree), and Dende), Normal(Most humans and Gohan(Calm)), or LOVE fighting(Goku). Some can be just be unique. A perfect combo of Kid Goku and Regular people is what Goten is. He's awesome! How he tries to beat his older brother is utterly cute. No denying. How can you question why people love this guy!?



Let's not forget the whole "Kamekameha!" he did. Cause of him till this day I say Kamehameha like that. Goten is a Legend in his own rights. You seem to forget that Toriyama write on the edge of his seat. For all we know he could have came up with Fusion the chapter Vegeta kills himself. That's still leaves many chapters of Goten. So NO he was not made for Trunks's fusion partner. Not even close. Was he made to rival Trunks and for Trunks to have someone his age? Yes most likely. Hell that brings another point. Goten shows(Even though it's a minor one) a REAL rival. Something the so called "Rivalry" Goku and Vegeta had lacked.

Now that's just the manga. Let's go onto the anime and movies. The moment Goten spelled Trunks named instead of his own while peeing was funny. His interactions with Videl was funny. Most of the Masked Man filler was funny. How Trunks take charge over Goten is funny. Almost everything with Goten is funny or adorable. Did you forget that whole "What's a Magician?" thing Goten did? That's why he's so lovable. He's honestly(And I've seen enough anime for 3 lifetimes) my favorite fiction/anime/comic/manga character. Number ONE baby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRuIPOhH7E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIqqxz3g9v8

The movies he was the star in was awesome(Minus who the main bad guy in the movies was.). Broly Second Coming. Goten(And Trunks) saved this movie from being s***. He was funny. "Shenlong is a big Dragon. Maybe he needs more space!". Literally LOL on that one. He wanted an apple. That killed me. I was laughing milk that I didn't drink. "WHAT THE HECK IS A KAKAROT!" was funny as hell. Goten was on a roll the entire movie. Bio Broly took a more serious side of Goten. In which his kicked a***! He was a BEAST! I love that badass face Goten made when they was about to kill Broly.
This is filler not movie but Goten kicked Popo a*** while Trunks had trouble. JUST SAYING . Back to Second Coming. Goten playing with that Dragon(Or Dinosaur) was funny as well. No one had much funny moments as Goten. Not even Kid Goku. That's saying something. He's the complete package. In Fusion Reborn his little scenes with the Tank and tires was cool. Didn't do much in Wrath of Dragon. There's a reason why Goten and Trunks got a HUGE ovation in BoG's preview. BTW Goten being jealous of Trunks was the show stealer for me. Trunks and Goten stole the show that focus on Goku and Vegeta. Good job Toei and Toriyama. Just great haha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a2-Bzlz5uI

Now onto his Teeanage life. We only got a few episodes of this so not much I can say. But his Teen Hair style is the best in all the series. Not the fanboy talking either. It's not like Gohan's who rips off of Yamcha. It's just Goku's hair but I guess Brushed down. As you can see the spikes at the bottom(The spikes on Goku hair that's most recognizable). We still see how close the blond is with Goten and Trunks. It's funny how he reacts to fighting Majin Boo and how he teases Trunks. His gag lost to Pan though. Made me throw my TV out the window and break a rabbit's neck with my hands but that's beside the point.

Now in GT. Gt. Lemme explain. Everyone in GT acts like a Teenager or a bratty kid. Bra is suppose to be like 10 or 9? Yet she acts like a Teen and attracts grown men. Goten is about 22? Around College age. So his behavior isn't weird. After all he's related to Goku. Goten is basically Goku if Goku wasn't 100% into fighting. I don't understand how Goten acts "Horny" in GT like many seem to say. Having a GF(ONE GF the entire series) does not make you a horny bastard that wanna have sex with everything that moves. So please. Get that idea out your head. He got a gf. He treats her nice. The only bf who took her for ice-cream. Probably cares for her as he protects her. C'mon now. That's not horny. That's being a nice bf. I'm sorry Goten is not acting like Vegeta and going "MY BULMA!!!!!" over everytime his gf is in danger. Goten seems cool in GT. Just chillin being awesome. What more do you want? He wasn't given important screen time unless he was fighting Goku. He had a kick a*** fight with Bebi though. Even kick Bebi's a*** for a bit before getting his body taken. Goten and Trunks still had that one little cool moment when they killed 19. But after that nothing much. Not enough screen-time IMHO. Even Trunks(After Black Star Arc) didn't get much screen time. It was Goku and Pan. Can't say much. Though from what we've seen Goten is still cool. Still unique. Still awesome. Still the best damn character ever. Though his GT self is slightly downgraded from his DBZ persona but all good. All good. Hair style a little ugly but he makes it work. Though curious on how adult English Gotenks would sound.

Not to mention Goten and Trunks got a kickass theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGrSjlgSbGw

Overall:
Goten is the greatest of all time(MY OPINION PEOPLE. A very strong opinion). He's unique and not a 100% Goku rip off. He's adorable as a child. He got the funniest moments. Just everything about him is awesome. He's everything that DBZ IS! A Fun(Goten), Fighting(Z fighters which Goten is), Comedy(Goten), Adventure(Goten), and nothing to think to seriously about(GOTEN). Does Goten not fit all those categories? Yes he does. So Goten is DRAGONBALL.


Imo.

[Kakacarrottop]

Could have been a very interesting character but sadly he got shafted just like everyone else who isn't Goku did in GT. Sort of like the Chuck Cunningham of Dragon Ball Z. Oh well at least he grew up to get a hotter girlfriend than Gohan. Poetic justice perhaps?

[FortuneSSJ]

I already knew you were a Goten fan but this text takes it to another level.
I remember when I was a kid, me and my friends, would say he would be the strongest because he was the youngest ssj.
Naive kids but those will always be the best times!

One of the few things I love about Bio Broly movie is Goten replacing Goku/Gohan as the hero. That was the only time he did.
Trunks and Goten were the main characters in that movie, but Goten shone brighter.

[dbzfan7]

A poor underutilized character. TFS kinda sums up poor Goten when they mentioned him in their list. He deserved more of a bonding time with Gohan, he deserved his own style instead of just copying Goku's hair, and it's kinda sad that his true relevance came from Gotenks. I don't see him as a clone as Goku as some others do, he acts more passive and differently than Kid Goku. More about fun, adventure, being a kid, and he unlike the kid Gohan didn't really mind fighting at all. He probably should have been more of an equal to Trunks and the few times he acts the way Trunks should are great. I'm not much of a fan of him being kind of Trunks lackey.

[fadeddreams5]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=28675

I'm....uhh....probably not wanted here.

Just wanted to say SSJ Goten on the top right of that first fanart looks cool.

*teleports away*

[Kamiccolo9]

He's a waste of time and space, and serves only as a plot device to power up Trunks. He doesn't even get a good introduction, just a "Hey, this is Goku's second kid!" from the narrator.

He did have a cute scene when he first met Goku. Aside from that, he's overshadowed by Trunks in every scene, and he doesn't appear to contribute anything to Gotenks aside from some black hair, seeing as Gotenks is just Trunks dialed up to 11.

[TheGmGoken]

He's a waste of time and space, and serves only as a plot device to power up Trunks. He doesn't even get a good introduction, just a "Hey, this is Goku's second kid!" from the narrator.

I created these threads to show appreciation and no negativity to a certain character. So if you don't have anything nice to say then don't post. Quite simple

Read the thread rules. It's in the beginning of second paragraph. If you had something negative to say then don't click on a thread that say "Son Goten Appreciation thread".

[Kakacarrottop]

He's a waste of time and space, and serves only as a plot device to power up Trunks.

Who only serves as a plot device for Vegeta & Bulma to have a son.

[sbk]

I liked him, he deserved better. I enjoyed his bond with Gohan and all his scenes during the Saiyaman/25th Tenkaichi episodes in general.

It's a shame that Gotenks is his only purpose in the story

[Kamiccolo9]

He's a waste of time and space, and serves only as a plot device to power up Trunks. He doesn't even get a good introduction, just a "Hey, this is Goku's second kid!" from the narrator.

I created these threads to show appreciation and no negativity to a certain character. So if you don't have anything nice to say then don't post. Quite simple

Read the thread rules. It's in the beginning of second paragraph. If you had something negative to say then don't click on a thread that say "Son Goten Appreciation thread".

A thread where everyone just sits around talking about how good some character is isn't a thread worth having. It limits discussion.

Lack of appreciation is relevant to the topic of appreciation, and you do not get to dictate the terms of discussion in this thread. Nor do you get to exclude people of a certain mindset from participating in a thread because you disagree with their viewpoints.

[dbzfan7]

He's a waste of time and space, and serves only as a plot device to power up Trunks. He doesn't even get a good introduction, just a "Hey, this is Goku's second kid!" from the narrator.

I created these threads to show appreciation and no negativity to a certain character. So if you don't have anything nice to say then don't post. Quite simple

Read the thread rules. It's in the beginning of second paragraph. If you had something negative to say then don't click on a thread that say "Son Goten Appreciation thread".

A thread where everyone just sits around talking about how good some character is isn't a thread worth having. It limits discussion.

Lack of appreciation is relevant to the topic of appreciation, and you do not get to dictate the terms of discussion in this thread. Nor do you get to exclude people of a certain mindset from participating in a thread because you disagree with their viewpoints.

I agree with your points, but I don't think we should dig in too hard as threads should be more positive. I totally see where you're coming from though.

[RandomGuy96]

He's very generic. He looks exactly like kid Goku. He follows Trunks' lead. The only technique he knows besides basic flight is the Kamehameha. The only transformation he has is SS. The only single fights he has are joke matches against Abo and Trunks which everyone acknowledges are of zero significance (well, unless you count getting one-shotted by Vegeta as a fight). He never shows any distinguishing characteristics, and just acts like the cheerful kid all the time. He never really does anything that affects the plot besides fusing with Trunks.

As Kamiccolo9 said, he just serves to give Trunks a lackey and a power level boost. Oh, and to give Gohan someone to talk to early on. Gotenks acts and looks just like Trunks, Trunks wins their tournament fight, Trunks has the significant emotional moment after his dad dies while Goten gets a throwaway line after Super Buu stomps his mom to death, Trunks gets the relationship subplots in the movies (Tapion, Mai), Trunks retrieves the radar, Trunks directs Goten when they're fighting as Mighty Mask, etc. You could say that Gotenks is less like a true fusion, and more like Trunks just absorbing Goten for the power boost à la Piccolo and Nail.

[TheGmGoken]

He's a waste of time and space, and serves only as a plot device to power up Trunks. He doesn't even get a good introduction, just a "Hey, this is Goku's second kid!" from the narrator.

I created these threads to show appreciation and no negativity to a certain character. So if you don't have anything nice to say then don't post. Quite simple

Read the thread rules. It's in the beginning of second paragraph. If you had something negative to say then don't click on a thread that say "Son Goten Appreciation thread".

A thread where everyone just sits around talking about how good some character is isn't a thread worth having. It limits discussion.

Lack of appreciation is relevant to the topic of appreciation, and you do not get to dictate the terms of discussion in this thread. Nor do you get to exclude people of a certain mindset from participating in a thread because you disagree with their viewpoints.

Hence why it's a short term thread. Look at all the other appreciation threads. All posting. These threads aren't meant to last long. And no it's not relevant to my topic which clearly states no negative. I made rules for this thread to keep it positive. This has NOTHING to do with my opinion. There was a Supreme Kai thread that I gave positive feedback to despite me hating Supreme. It's how these threads work. The point was to stay positive and if you don't like the character then find something small to say.

Otherwise I'm not sure why you're commenting on a thread that's
An APPRECIATION(the recognition and enjoyment of the good qualities of someone or something.) thread.
A thread that calls for positives
A thread that specifically stated that you shouldn't show hate.
A thread that isn't really a debate but a discussion of character pros. Not the con's.

It's simple. Don't have anything nice to say. Don't say anything at all. Please, I just want this thread (Like the other appreciate threads) to be a nice place where we discuss the pros of the character.

Here are examples of the other threads
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=27925
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=27977
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=27913

[ulisa]

I like Goten, though not as much as I like other characters. I do find his introduction a bit lacking because it feels like a "passing idea" but I do like what they did once he was introduced. I like his relationship with Gohan though I wish we were shown more of it. It's similar to young Gohan and Goku's relationship (which makes sense as both the age gap and with Goku gone would make Gohan's role more paternal than brotherly) but it's different enough to keep it interesting.

I tend to like Goten more in the movies because he gets more of a chance to be individual, particularly in Bio-Broly. As bad a movie as that can be, I adore how they handle Goten's characterization and his friendship with Trunks in that movie. Goten feels more "equal" and less "Trunks' sidekick.'

Much like a lot of things near the end if the series, I think more could have been done with Goten if the effort was made. Sadly, while I love the idea of Goten developing as a character, I feel they got it "wrong" in GT. I understand characters change but much like Pan in GT, it felt like they changed so much that they didn't even feel like the same character anymore.

All in all, Goten was a good idea but I feel he was utilized poorly.

[TheZFighter]

I've never really had much time for Goten and Trunks personally. I know a lot of people seem to like Goten and Trunks and Gotenks, but I find them overrated.

I mean, they started out "okay" at best, but I found much of what they did in the Buu Saga to be an unwelcome distraction, and frankly boring. I thought Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Future Trunks were more than enough in terms of Saiyans main characters, so there is a good chance my opinion on Goten and little Trunks could've been a little bias, but there you go.

[Beerus-sama]

I like Goten, he was the replace of kid Gohan when he grew up.
He is so cute and adorable in the first episodes of the buu arc. unlike most people I don't think he looks exactly like kid Goku, he was chubby and his face was more rounded.

Plus Goten had SSj wich made him a lot more cuter than what Goku was on Gt with SSJ xD

Its sad that Gotenks didn't have some of Goten's personality, maybe that way I would like him.

[DarkPrince_92]

I always thought he had the most potential because of how young he was, and being a SSJ. He actually used to be one of my favorites as a kid, love his adventures with Trunks.

In GT he was a mac lol. Me and my brother called him TYB Goten whenever we saw him in GT. Don't leave yo girl by him.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

So Goten is Trunks is lackey and never realizes any fighting potential. By that logic Krillin is worthless in the Z era; always outclassed, always advocating for Goku. But nobody is going to tell you that, because even in Dragon Ball Z land we evaluate combatant characters on multiples counts. We make fun of Chiatzou so much precisely because he fails on every count, not just competency in a fight.

Goten is clearly meant as means to reintroduce child Goku into the story, as Gohan was, and like Gohan Goten doesn't quite do it in the same way because Goten is more worldly- wheras Gohan was meek and wanted to be an academic, Goten was the less-restricted second child, perhaps even with a slight air of spoiled about him. So I have a take that may actually create a short-lived discussion; I like Goten, but I think that is because I associate him firmly with Kara Edwards rather than Masako Nozawa. While Nozawa did present Goten in that way, I feel the way Kara Edwards was directed to voice him got the maximum effect from a minimum character. At the Animazement panel, Edwards said that her favorite line as Goten, as she remembered it, was Goten ruining the moment of Videl's learning to use her ki by screaming "I'M A BIRDIE! I'M A BIRDIE!" or something of sort in the background. Goten had a niche because he had that childish non-filter that Goku did as a boy, but from a different enough angle.

Teen Goten, if we take GT straight, kind of went the route the less-restricted child might take, and thus he grew out of the one thing that made him entertaining with far too little time to be anything else.

[Ashelia]

I've always liked Goten so like all the kids I want to see more of him. He's really fun and made the Saiyaman filler the most enjoyable "saga" for me because I liked seeing him bond with Gohan and just be a happy little kid. It felt like validation for Goku's sacrifice that was sadly short lived.

I never saw him as Trunks' lackey either because Trunks is so lonely that I feel he needs Goten's caring personality more than Goten needs Trunks' company or power. I'd hate to see just how annoying Trunks would be without Goten there to humble and care about him. Even as a teenager Goten is jumping for joy cause Trunks is entering the tournament with him, how can you not love such a genuine reaction?

My only real criticism beyond not seeing enough of him is him looking like Goku throughout most of the time we see him. Because since he's so cute as a teenager/adult and is clearly different from Goku I really would've loved to see him looking like his own character as a kid too. I feel due to this some take him at literal face value as just a Goku clone but to me he's more realistic as a kid than Goku was. TheGmGoken you put it perfectly:
"A perfect combo of Kid Goku and Regular people is what Goten is."

Also I really like the fanart.

When it comes to GT Goten, I love him too because his caring, playful persona and realness just continues. He's self aware that he's rich and adorable so why not enjoy this? Despite his obvious macking he never acts like a womanizer or a creep, he's still a nice charming fun kid. Its hard for me to dislike this rather ideal and logical portrayal just because we didn't see it before GT. Though I don't like his girlfriend and pray they never procreated I'd still would've liked to see more of him.

In GT he was a mac lol. Me and my brother called him TYB Goten whenever we saw him in GT. Don't leave yo girl by him.

That is one of the most accurate things I've ever read xD

[TheGmGoken]

Goten, but I think that is because I associate him firmly with Kara Edwards rather than Masako Nozawa. While Nozawa did present Goten in that way, I feel the way Kara Edwards

Agreed! Kara did awesome as Goten. She's the voice of Goten for me. Even more than Korean Goten.

I know a lot of people seem to like Goten and Trunks and Gotenks, but I find them overrated

I didn't know a lot of people liked Goten, Gotenks, and Trunks. Curious on how you find them overrated.

I tend to like Goten more in the movies because he gets more of a chance to be individual, particularly in Bio-Broly. As bad a movie as that can be, I adore how they handle Goten's characterization and his friendship with Trunks in that movie. Goten feels more "equal" and less "Trunks' sidekick.'

Yes! Yes! Yes! I agree 100%. The movies did Goten so much justice!