Big Green voice cast

[SaintEvolution]

I've looked in the Dragon Ball Wiki a few hours ago, and in the space for "Voice Actors", there are some voices credited for some characters in "AB Group Dub", like David Gasman for Goku and Paul Bandey as Vegeta.


When I searched for "Paul Bandey" I had saw some videos in youtube, and his voice is really close to the "Old Bastard" one(who voices Vegeta in the Big Green dub), just look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCBMp-m8LMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RnGJDTItX8


So, could be that(the voices in the Wiki) the correct cast of the Big Green dub?

[DoomieDoomie911]

They certainly sound similar, but there's probably no way to know for sure.

Speaking of which, what information is there about the Big Green dub? I know there's probably numerous threads about it, but I don't think I've seen any. What information is out there about it?

[SaintEvolution]

They certainly sound similar, but there's probably no way to know for sure.

Speaking of which, what information is there about the Big Green dub? I know there's probably numerous threads about it, but I don't think I've seen any. What information is out there about it?

According to some informations I searched, the Big Green actors did other works like the english dub of "Code Lyoko"....and the voices are very similar. Just look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk_5R_XEybc

[Kuwabara]

They certainly sound similar, but there's probably no way to know for sure.

If it's the same actors, Code Lyoko definitely had a better voice director.

[SaintEvolution]

They certainly sound similar, but there's probably no way to know for sure.

If it's the same actors, Code Lyoko definitely had a better voice director.

Well, Code Lyoko doesn't have so many action scenes(with screams, fight scenes, attacks' names and other things), and the Big Green dub of DBZ was did based in the french one, that was bad by itself.


Also, the voices of Code Lyoko and the Big Green dub are VERY similar. Now I just can't think that are not the same voice actors.

Well, if that is all right, the Big Green dub cast probably is:

Goku - David Gasman
Gohan - Barbara Scaff(child/teen)/David Gasman(adult, in Trunks Special)
Piccolo/Big Green - Paul Bandey
Bulma - Jodi Forrest
Kami - Paul Bandey
King Kai - Paul Bandey
Vegeta - Paul Bandey(Movies 7-9)/Doug Rand(Movie 6 and Trunks' special)/Sharon Mann(child)
Krillin/Clearin - Sharon Mann
Chi-Chi - Jodi Forrest
Bardock - David Gasman
Frieza - Paul Bandey
Dodoria - Paul Bandey
Zarbon - Matthew Géczy
Turles - Paul Bandey
Garlic Jr. - Doug Rand
Yamcha - Matthew Géczy/Doug Rand(Movie 9 only)
Tien - Doug Rand(first movies)/David Gasman(last movies)
Slug - Paul Bandey
Cooler - Doug Rand(Movie 5)/Paul Bandey(Movie 6)
Salza - David Gasman
Android 13 - Doug Rand
Dr. Gero(appearance in movie 7) - Paul Bandey
Broly - Doug Rand
Paragus - Paul Bandey
Bojack - Doug Rand
Zangya - Jodi Forrest
Mr. Satan - Paul Bandey
Trunks - Doug Rand/Matthew Géczy(Movie 7)
Android 17 - Matthew Géczy
Android 18 - Mirabelle Kirkland
Shenron - Paul Bandey
Narrator - Paul Bandey

I can't confirm with 100% of sure, but probably this is the cast of the Big Green dub.

[SatoshiCT]

It's safe to say for sure that the "Big Green" dub was produced in France much like Code Lyoko's english dub. Hearing various clips from the DBZ movies I definitely recall hearing Sharon Mann's(Jeremy and Aelita) and Matthew Geczy's(Odd) voices for various characters. It's been a while since I've watch any of the Big Green movie's but after watching Trunk's special recently it's easy to hear Sharon Mann as 18 and Matthew Geczy as 17.

[Kakacarrottop]

I'm the one who added all those BG dub credits to the wiki.

This is the source which all but confirms who voices who:
http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/for ... hp?t=15614

Only one VA has actually been officially confirmed (Sharron Mann as Clearin and a few other characters) but all the evidence points to people like David Gasman, Paul Bandey and Doug Rand appearing in this dub.

[linkdude20002001]

Also, the voices of Code Lyoko and the Big Green dub are VERY similar. Now I just can't think that are not the same voice actors.

Well, if that is all right, the Big Green dub cast probably is:

• I can't confirm with 100% of sure, but probably this is the cast of the Big Green dub.

Thank you! Finally a full list!
I've been saying for years that the two shows likely had the same voice actors, but no one ever looked into it, and i never felt like watching Code Lyoko (or whole movies of the AB Groupe dub), so I could never say who voiced who. ...Except for Jodi Forrest. Her voice for Sissi stood out to me the most. But even then, I couldn't find her online to confirm. Instead I ended up asking a DIFFERENT Jodi Forrest who happened to once live in France, and once do some voice acting, but she said she'd never done anything for those two shows.

[DoomieDoomie911]

They certainly sound similar, but there's probably no way to know for sure.

If it's the same actors, Code Lyoko definitely had a better voice director.

Well, Code Lyoko doesn't have so many action scenes(with screams, fight scenes, attacks' names and other things), and the Big Green dub of DBZ was did based in the french one, that was bad by itself.


Also, the voices of Code Lyoko and the Big Green dub are VERY similar. Now I just can't think that are not the same voice actors.

Well, if that is all right, the Big Green dub cast probably is:

• I can't confirm with 100% of sure, but probably this is the cast of the Big Green dub.

Thanks for the interesting information, SaintEvolution!

[TheBlackPaladin]

I know there's probably numerous threads about it, but I don't think I've seen any. What information is out there about it?

Not a lot in the way of official information (as you've probably already read here), but a few things in the way of educated guesses.

In all likelyhood, it was recorded in France. A few reasons to suspect this...

-A few of the suspected voice actors lived in France.
-The dialogue is strikingly simmilar, and often identical, to the French dub script.
-Why would the Big Green dub be based on the French dub? Well, the AB Groupe are the ones behind the Big Green dub for one, and in addition to that, they also own the international distribution rights for DBZ in most of Europe, meaning most European dubs are based on their dub.
-One of the things the Big Green dub is notable for is how long-winded and quickly-spoken the dialogue is. This is, in all likelihood, is the result of a poorly-prepared rhythmo-band, which is France's method of dubbing.*

*Basically, the engineer takes a blank strip of film and writes out the revised dialogue by hand onto the film strip. This film strip, the “rhythmo-band,” is then projected onto a separate TV screen beneath the main TV screen that shows the visuals that the dubbing actor will dub. Towards the left end of the rhythmo-band screen, a static red line is projected. As the visuals of the main screen move along, so does the rhythmo-band. Because the engineer took the time to precisely calculate how long everything should be pronounced, and adjusted the size and length of their handwriting accordingly, the rhythmo-band’s text scrolls from right to left in sync with the picture, and the dubbing actor then reads the rhythmo-band’s moving text as it intersects with the static red line. Here's some behind-the-scenes footage of the French dub of BoG to demonstrate how it works...fast-forward to the 4:58 mark.

With that in mind, listen to this clip and tell me you don't hear an actor struggling to keep up with the super-fast pace of a sloppily-prepared rhythmo-band.

[Quebaz]

is the result of a poorly-prepared rhythmo-band, which is France's method of dubbing.*

*Basically, the engineer takes a blank strip of film and writes out the revised dialogue by hand onto the film strip. This film strip, the “rhythmo-band,” is then projected onto a separate TV screen beneath the main TV screen that shows the visuals that the dubbing actor will dub. Towards the left end of the rhythmo-band screen, a static red line is projected. As the visuals of the main screen move along, so does the rhythmo-band. Because the engineer took the time to precisely calculate how long everything should be pronounced, and adjusted the size and length of their handwriting accordingly, the rhythmo-band’s text scrolls from right to left in sync with the picture, and the dubbing actor then reads the rhythmo-band’s moving text as it intersects with the static red line. Here's some behind-the-scenes footage of the French dub of BoG to demonstrate how it works...fast-forward to the 4:58 mark.

This is super fascinating to me, in Portugal most anime (and even movie I believe) dubs are done the old fashioned way of having the actors read the lines from its script pages (or in case of Sailor Moon Crystal, a tablet) to a TV with the visuals and nothing else, do you know of other countries that use this "rhtyhmo-band" method or something similar?

[SaintEvolution]

Well, Code Lyoko doesn't have so many action scenes(with screams, fight scenes, attacks' names and other things), and the Big Green dub of DBZ was did based in the french one, that was bad by itself.


Also, the voices of Code Lyoko and the Big Green dub are VERY similar. Now I just can't think that are not the same voice actors.

Well, if that is all right, the Big Green dub cast probably is:

• I can't confirm with 100% of sure, but probably this is the cast of the Big Green dub.

Thanks for the interesting information, SaintEvolution!

You are welcome!



Also, a sad thing about that is...those actors are experienced and they have some good works in their curriculum. They could be amazing additions to the franchise, but the very bad scripts and the poor dubbing direction ruined most part of the dub.

[DoomieDoomie911]

I know there's probably numerous threads about it, but I don't think I've seen any. What information is out there about it?

Not a lot in the way of official information (as you've probably already read here), but a few things in the way of educated guesses.

In all likelyhood, it was recorded in France. A few reasons to suspect this...

-A few of the suspected voice actors lived in France.
-The dialogue is strikingly simmilar, and often identical, to the French dub script.
-Why would the Big Green dub be based on the French dub? Well, the AB Groupe are the ones behind the Big Green dub for one, and in addition to that, they also own the international distribution rights for DBZ in most of Europe, meaning most European dubs are based on their dub.
-One of the things the Big Green dub is notable for is how long-winded and quickly-spoken the dialogue is. This is, in all likelihood, is the result of a poorly-prepared rhythmo-band, which is France's method of dubbing.*

*Basically, the engineer takes a blank strip of film and writes out the revised dialogue by hand onto the film strip. This film strip, the “rhythmo-band,” is then projected onto a separate TV screen beneath the main TV screen that shows the visuals that the dubbing actor will dub. Towards the left end of the rhythmo-band screen, a static red line is projected. As the visuals of the main screen move along, so does the rhythmo-band. Because the engineer took the time to precisely calculate how long everything should be pronounced, and adjusted the size and length of their handwriting accordingly, the rhythmo-band’s text scrolls from right to left in sync with the picture, and the dubbing actor then reads the rhythmo-band’s moving text as it intersects with the static red line. Here's some behind-the-scenes footage of the French dub of BoG to demonstrate how it works...fast-forward to the 4:58 mark.

With that in mind, listen to this clip and tell me you don't hear an actor struggling to keep up with the super-fast pace of a sloppily-prepared rhythmo-band.

That's really interesting! I've never heard of that before.

Also, a sad thing about that is...those actors are experienced and they have some good works in their curriculum. They could be amazing additions to the franchise, but the very bad scripts and the poor dubbing direction ruined most part of the dub.

That's a shame...

[SaintEvolution]

Somebody had added the Big Green actors in Anime News Network too!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... php?id=987

[Kakacarrottop]

Somebody had added the Big Green actors in Anime News Network too!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... php?id=987

And IMDB

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1197229/

Well at least now we won't have to keep referring to Mr. Bandey as "Old Bastard"

[TheBlackPaladin]

is the result of a poorly-prepared rhythmo-band, which is France's method of dubbing.*

*Basically, the engineer takes a blank strip of film and writes out the revised dialogue by hand onto the film strip. This film strip, the “rhythmo-band,” is then projected onto a separate TV screen beneath the main TV screen that shows the visuals that the dubbing actor will dub. Towards the left end of the rhythmo-band screen, a static red line is projected. As the visuals of the main screen move along, so does the rhythmo-band. Because the engineer took the time to precisely calculate how long everything should be pronounced, and adjusted the size and length of their handwriting accordingly, the rhythmo-band’s text scrolls from right to left in sync with the picture, and the dubbing actor then reads the rhythmo-band’s moving text as it intersects with the static red line. Here's some behind-the-scenes footage of the French dub of BoG to demonstrate how it works...fast-forward to the 4:58 mark.

This is super fascinating to me, in Portugal most anime (and even movie I believe) dubs are done the old fashioned way of having the actors read the lines from its script pages (or in case of Sailor Moon Crystal, a tablet) to a TV with the visuals and nothing else, do you know of other countries that use this "rhtyhmo-band" method or something similar?

Glad you find it fascinating--I do too!

The Big Green dub is not a good demonstration of how effective the rhythmo-band can be. When it works well, it works better than any other method. If you'll notice, French dubs in general tend to have extremely precise lip-syncing, not only because of the ease of the method for the actors, but because the writers are trained to take lip shapes into account and adapt the dialogue accordingly. In addition, it allows for group recordings, which almost every other method of dubbing prohibits, requiring instead that every single actor, no matter how small their part, record their lines one actor at a time.

Unfortunately, while the rhythmo-band is the best method if done well, that's a big "if." The method is not perfect, it does still require a good writer who knows how to adapt the script (and write) properly. Someone who can stay loyal to the script while at the same time re-phrasing it as necessary so that it doesn't sound weird, unnatural, or forced.....like the Big Green dub's dialogue.

While the rhythmo-band is the exclusive method of dubbing in France, it didn't take off much beyond there. The reason is because it takes a looooooong time to prepare. It saves the actors a ton of time, but it's a hellish process--not to mention a long process--for the writer to prepare a rhythmo-band effectively. You need to not only be good at adaptation-writing, but also be good with your handwriting so that the handwriting can be adjusted as needed while still being legible. Most studios outside of France who have tried it decided it just wasn't worth the effort. A few studios in Los Angeles tried it briefly, but stopped for the following reasons:
-The actors were focusing too much on the rhythmo-band, and not enough on the visuals of what they were dubbing.
-The handwriting of the rhythmo-band writers was not particularly good.
-It works well for French, where words flow very seamlessly together...but for other languages that aren't like that, like English, it's another story.
-Like I said, it takes a long time to prepare if you're not skilled in a number of areas. The writers weren't trained on how to do this, and it was costing them way too much time to try and figure it out.

Some companies, like Synchronos, tried to address this problem by creating digital programs that replicate the rhythmo-band's function and work in sync with recording software like Pro Tools. If you want to try out a brief 20-second clip for yourself, here are some examples (scroll down a little bit), rhythmo-band included.

That's not to say that France is the only country to use it, though. French Canada uses it a lot, and there are a few other places in Canada that do it that way for English dubs as well. For example, while Sailor Moon is getting re-dubbed in Los Angeles now, the first English dub we had was recorded in Toronto, Canada, and they used the rhythmo-band for that English dub.

Most English dubs have either paper scripts or, far more commonly nowadays, scripts on a computer monitor that the actor looks at. The cool thing about this is that it's linked to a computer in the mixing room that the director can control, and they can make adjustments to the scripts if it isn't working. For example--and I'll be brief about this--I dubbed a few characters for an anime called Doraemon not too long ago, and there were two or three times where there weren't enough words in the dialogue to fit the lip flaps, so the director would make small adjustments, like changing the word "it's" to "it is," to get a small extra syllable in there, stretching out the dialogue a bit, and in effect making it fit the lip flaps more effectively. Since they could do this from where they were sitting, I just watched on my monitor as they went into the Microsoft Word doc script, and made the adjustment right before my eyes. Quite efficient!

This is the typical dubbing method for English dubs.

And no, I'm not Johnny Yong Bosch. But anyway, how do they do it in Portugal?

[Cure Dragon 255]

WOW! Black Paladin I didnt know you were a voice actor! That's cool! I did know we had some bona fide anime voice actors but I never knew you were one of them.

Also wow, "an anime called Doraemon" its weird for me to read this, since Doraemon has been so present here in Paraguay and abroad and that wording is for anime that is very unknown. But I guess its very obscure in the states.

ALSO LOL VEGETA YAMCHA AND MR POPO LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[SaintEvolution]

Do you guys know if the Big Green cast had dubbed another anime?

[linkdude20002001]

^
Code Lyoko. And probably any other English dubs produced in France.

[Quebaz]

Glad you find it fascinating--I do too!

The Big Green dub is not a good demonstration of how effective the rhythmo-band can be. When it works well, it works better than any other method. If you'll notice, French dubs in general tend to have extremely precise lip-syncing, not only because of the ease of the method for the actors, but because the writers are trained to take lip shapes into account and adapt the dialogue accordingly. In addition, it allows for group recordings, which almost every other method of dubbing prohibits, requiring instead that every single actor, no matter how small their part, record their lines one actor at a time.

Unfortunately, while the rhythmo-band is the best method if done well, that's a big "if." The method is not perfect, it does still require a good writer who knows how to adapt the script (and write) properly. Someone who can stay loyal to the script while at the same time re-phrasing it as necessary so that it doesn't sound weird, unnatural, or forced.....like the Big Green dub's dialogue.

While the rhythmo-band is the exclusive method of dubbing in France, it didn't take off much beyond there. The reason is because it takes a looooooong time to prepare. It saves the actors a ton of time, but it's a hellish process--not to mention a long process--for the writer to prepare a rhythmo-band effectively. You need to not only be good at adaptation-writing, but also be good with your handwriting so that the handwriting can be adjusted as needed while still being legible. Most studios outside of France who have tried it decided it just wasn't worth the effort. A few studios in Los Angeles tried it briefly, but stopped for the following reasons:
-The actors were focusing too much on the rhythmo-band, and not enough on the visuals of what they were dubbing.
-The handwriting of the rhythmo-band writers was not particularly good.
-It works well for French, where words flow very seamlessly together...but for other languages that aren't like that, like English, it's another story.
-Like I said, it takes a long time to prepare if you're not skilled in a number of areas. The writers weren't trained on how to do this, and it was costing them way too much time to try and figure it out.

Some companies, like Synchronos, tried to address this problem by creating digital programs that replicate the rhythmo-band's function and work in sync with recording software like Pro Tools. If you want to try out a brief 20-second clip for yourself, here are some examples (scroll down a little bit), rhythmo-band included.

That's not to say that France is the only country to use it, though. French Canada uses it a lot, and there are a few other places in Canada that do it that way for English dubs as well. For example, while Sailor Moon is getting re-dubbed in Los Angeles now, the first English dub we had was recorded in Toronto, Canada, and they used the rhythmo-band for that English dub.

Most English dubs have either paper scripts or, far more commonly nowadays, scripts on a computer monitor that the actor looks at. The cool thing about this is that it's linked to a computer in the mixing room that the director can control, and they can make adjustments to the scripts if it isn't working. For example--and I'll be brief about this--I dubbed a few characters for an anime called Doraemon not too long ago, and there were two or three times where there weren't enough words in the dialogue to fit the lip flaps, so the director would make small adjustments, like changing the word "it's" to "it is," to get a small extra syllable in there, stretching out the dialogue a bit, and in effect making it fit the lip flaps more effectively. Since they could do this from where they were sitting, I just watched on my monitor as they went into the Microsoft Word doc script, and made the adjustment right before my eyes. Quite efficient!

This is the typical dubbing method for English dubs.

And no, I'm not Johnny Yong Bosch. But anyway, how do they do it in Portugal?

Very interesting, kind of a shame it didn't take off into other countries tho, however it seems it does require too much work for both the actors and directors iof they aren't accostumed to it, so I guess I can understand why. (I spent aproximately about an hour just toying with the examples you posted, I can't do it xD).

Yup, dubbing in Portugal is mostly like you described, however instead of having the script on a computer monitor, it's on paper or a tablet,Here's the "making of" of Fairy Tail's dub if you're interested, funny what you say about making small adjustments to fit the mouth flaps, according to the Portuguese actors, that's what inicially caused the "Pearls" in our dub. (Also holy cow you were in Doraemon? Who were you?)