Beerus telling Frieza to blow up Planet Vegeta

[DBZfan2015]

Do you guys accept it as the real reason Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta, or do you ignore the retcon?
Does this hurt Frieza's character a bit? The Frieza arc was very personal for Vegeta. He wanted revenge against the guy who killed his father and people.

[Doctor.]

I'll accept it once they do more with it besides a gag scene in the F arc. A Vegeta and Beerus confrontation would be a nice start.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't exactly like it, but I'll accept it for the anime (Super). The wording in the films, which were handled by Toriyama, was vague. So it's possible that he wasn't actually behind it in the Toriyama continuity material.

Even for Super though, Beerus only told Freeza to blow up Planet Vegeta while he slept. As shown in everything surrounding that event (Bardock TV Special, Dragon Ball Minus), it was still Freeza's choice to destroy it when he did. Beerus wasn't due to wake up for nearly 40 more years.

[ekrolo2]

If it amounts to something like to enhance Vegeta's desire to beat Beerus which Super is really playing up, then I can accept it. The retcon that Beerus fought and defeated Freeza at his best with Freeza doing jack and shit about it pisses me off a lot more. If anyone showed up stronger than him, Saiyan or not, Freeza wouldn't take it lying down but he does and that makes him complete walking farce even in the Namek arc where his arrogance was excusable by virtue of him knowing he's the strongest.

[FortuneSSJ]

Don't accept it.
I'm not a fan of Beerus suddenly be the reason for everything.

If anything, Beerus told Freeza to blow it but Freeza still did it for his own reasons.

Beerus being also the reason for Dinosaurs "extinction" is stupid, because DB had dinosaurs since the beginning. One even appears in BOG Movie...
I can come up with some answers to that, but just feels like a pointless coment.

[voltlunok]

I generally don't accept it because it really cheapens the destruction of planet Vegeta. It sounds like Beerus merely ordered it, rather then Freeza destroying the planet out of his paranoia and fear of the Super Saiyan. I also don't like it because it feels like Toriyama and Toei are trying to shove Beerus into the backstory of everything. That secretly Beerus has been apart of everything and everyone's lives and history the whole time and only now does this come full circle with the cast meeting the grand puppeteer or something.

[DemonRin]

Wait, did they retcon this? Sorry, I'm behind in Super.

I got the impression from the movies that Beers was just going to blow it up himself but Freeza did it for his own reasons and saved him the trouble, is that not the case in Super?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Wait, did they retcon this? Sorry, I'm behind in Super.

I got the impression from the movies that Beers was just going to blow it up himself but Freeza did it for his own reasons and saved him the trouble, is that not the case in Super?

Yeah. The writers for Super had Beerus outright say he ordered Freeza to do it when he discusses the incident in their version of the Battle of Gods storyline. (Well, Whis reminds him that he had Freeza do it. Which jogs his memory.)

[sintzu]

The way I see it is that Freeza couldn't destroy it without Beerus' approval due to destroying planets being his job so it doesn't retcon Freeza's reason fro destroying it, it adds more to the destruction of the planet, it shows that there was more going on behind the scenes.

[ekrolo2]

The way I see it is that Freeza couldn't destroy it without Beerus' approval due to destroying planets being his job so it doesn't retcon Freeza's reason fro destroying it, it adds more to the destruction of the planet, it shows that there was more going on behind the scenes.

You do know that Freeza's whole operation is centered around blowing planets up, right? Raditz says as much when he explains the express purpose behind sending Saiyan children into space and how that works. I really doubt Freeza needs to send Beerus a Spacebook request every-time he wants to blow a place up.

[Wezenheim]

I don't like it myself. Like others have said, I'll only accept it if Vegeta learns about it and it leads to something interesting. Even then though, I don't like it. I like it better narratively to have Freeza blow up Planet Vegeta on his own out of fear of the saiyans.

[sintzu]

You do know that Freeza's whole operation is centered around blowing planets up, right? I really doubt Freeza needs to send Beerus a Spacebook request every-time he wants to blow a place up.

Maybe there are certain planets that need a "Beerus stamp of approval" before they can be destroyed.

[WittyUsername]

I honestly hate that explanation. It's a completely unnecessary retcon that undermines Freeza's hatred and fear in regards to the Saiyan race. I honestly don't know who thought a retcon like that was a good idea.

[saiyanvegetable]

I honestly hate that explanation. It's a completely unnecessary retcon that undermines Freeza's hatred and fear in regards to the Saiyan race. I honestly don't know who thought a retcon like that was a good idea.

+1

It was just a tactic to make Beerus, already pretty much an empty character, more relevant to the franchise. Terrible, terrible idea.

[Hellspawn28]

In Jaco, Freeza didn't mention Beerus at all and would still have blown up Planet Vegeta. Given that it seems like Toriyama has nothing to do with the retellings of BOG and ROF in Super, I view Super as not canon to the manga and the last two films that he wrote.

[Lord Beerus]

Honestly, I hate it. Yeah, I understand they want to include Beerus in as much lore as possible to make his stance in the universe more significant, but there is line that needs to be drawn. The revelation that Beerus told Freeza to blow up Planet Vegeta just kills any sort of irony or drama the Freeza arc had, and it undermines all of the antagonism that Freeza had towards the Saiyans and Bardock, Goku and Vegeta had to Freeza. And that by default make their stories with Freeza much less meaningful. I much prefer the vague implications that Beerus perhaps had some influence in the destruction of Planet Vegeta, than Super just outright stating that Beerus did tell Freeza to blow up Planet Vegeta. But even then, just the mere implication that Beerus may have involved in the destruction of Planet Vegeta just doesn't sit well with me. And the fact that Freeza got his ass kicked by Beerus before he supposedly told Freeza to blow up Planet Vegeta and the fact that his father warned him never to challenge him, just makes it even worse.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

I personally don't have problems at all, I think it overlaps well with everything.

[Xeztin]

I'll only acknowledge it if it somehow get's back to Vegeta and he goes berserk on Beerus and actually manages to win. (Making Vegeta stronger than Goku) He doesn't have to kill Beerus, just win the fight.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't know why they would retcon of Freeza destroying Planet Vegeta? It's not like with Spawn when Todd Mcfarlane's changed the death of Al Simmons because they could not use Chapel for the Spawn movie and Mcfarlane wanted the movie to be faithful to the comics by retconing Al's death in the comics. To me, Freeza still hated the Saiyans without Beerus on his side.

[Xeztin]

I'm confused at what Freeza would do in way. He is more of a businessman and would rather rule over life to his benefit then to destroy it. If Beerus didn't tell him to destroy it, would he have enslaved the race instead? Would his fear of the Super Saiyan drive him into destroying the planet anyways?