Things that grind your gears

[ABED]

The assumption is you have to see a large percentage of it to draw a valid conclusion. In most cases yes, but with DBZA, no. It's a very specific instance. The show follows DBZ's basic plot and characters. I've seen all of DBZ, the ocean and funi dub, so I get the references. The big difference is the dialog and the jokes.

It's like Seinfeld, if you see 5% of the show, I think you can get a pretty accurate reading on its quality. That's 9 episodes and if you pick the right episodes, I think anyone can get a good idea if it's a show for them.

[Beek King]

One of the new Gods of Destruction is named "Iwan" because it's a rearrangement of "wain" (as in wine), but everyone calls him "Ivan" because of an arbitrary decision one of the fan translators decided to make.
Yes I'm partially calling out Kanzenshuu here.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Why are you calling out Kanzenshuu? Did any of its translators come up with that non-sense?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Why are you calling out Kanzenshuu? Did any of its translators come up with that non-sense?

The Kanzenshuu site lists him as Ivan/Iwen (イワン iwan). I don't know much about the translations, but it looks like they haven't decided yet to me.

[Beek King]

I'm only collectively calling out Kanzenshuu because I don't know who's responsible in particular.
To be fair for some reason Russian words in the past WERE for some reason transcribed with the "w" sound where a "v" is (rather than the usual "b") into Japanese (like their spelling of vodka, ウォッカ, the name Vladimir, ウラジーミル, and so on), so maybe that's their reasoning but it was still somewhat arbitrary. More revised Russian transcriptions use the letter ヴ. It's an anagram of wine, no doubt about it.
On a side note "Iwan" is the Polish spelling of Ivan but it's still pronounced "eevan" like in any other Slavic language.

[RehBeh]

The whole shit meme "When you're Zamas and your Zero Mortal Plan fails, but the real Goku finishes it" nonsense. Black/Zamasu weren't going to destroy the planets, more over the universes and Goku isn't going either, it's the Omni-King's decision to do so.

[King-K9]

All of the human characters besides Bulma being irrelevant by the Buu saga

[Anime Kitten]

Bringing this over from a different thread...

When people bring up their "Foe" list. I find it quite unnecessary to let everyone know who you add to it or how many people are on it, and quite frankly, it annoys me (I don't hold anything against the person for it, of course).

[Kanassa]

Bringing this over from a different thread...

When people bring up their "Foe" list. I find it quite unnecessary to let everyone know who you add to it or how many people are on it, and quite frankly, it annoys me (I don't hold anything against the person for it, of course).

We have a foe list?

[PelicanDynasty]

Bringing this over from a different thread...

When people bring up their "Foe" list. I find it quite unnecessary to let everyone know who you add to it or how many people are on it, and quite frankly, it annoys me (I don't hold anything against the person for it, of course).

We have a foe list?

I don't see the purpose. You are cutting yourself out of the discussion on a website that is all about discussion.

[Soppa Saia People]

Bringing this over from a different thread...

When people bring up their "Foe" list. I find it quite unnecessary to let everyone know who you add to it or how many people are on it, and quite frankly, it annoys me (I don't hold anything against the person for it, of course).

We have a foe list?

I don't see the purpose. You are cutting yourself out of the discussion on a website that is all about discussion.

I foe people when (IMO) their posts don't add to the discussion, or I just don't like reading their posts, and having it not show up makes it easier for me. There have been cases where I did because I was being a dick head, and did it because I disagreed with their opinions, but I've moved past that.

[The gr]

When people complain about goku black eyeliner in the manga, honestly that's a stupid complaint there,because we all know design≠character.

[MyNiggaGoku]

When people complain about goku black eyeliner in the manga, honestly that's a stupid complaint there,because we all know design≠character.

I personally love the eyeliner.It makes Goku Black seem more sinister than he already is & it's also a cool throwback to Majin Vegeta,a supposed evil version of Vegeta.

[Lord Beerus]

Goku being called a "sociopath". I've seen this word being tossed around too much recently when people have been trying to articulate what Goku's current characterisation in Super is, and it annoys the fuck out of me how nonchalantly people use that term. Seriously, do some fucking research of what it means to be a "sociopath" before you actually label someone that. It's not a word that should be used lightly.

[Kanassa]

Goku being called a "sociopath". I've seen this word being tossed around too much recently when people have been trying to articulate what Goku's current characterisation in Supe is, and it annoys the fuck out of me how nonchalantly people use that term. Seriously, do some fucking research of what it means to be a "sociopath" before you actually label someone that. It's not a word that should be used lightly.

That reminds me of another gear grinder, the notion that you can't have a protagonist who does morally wrong things (This is more general than Dragon Ball specific) because it means they're unlikable. A character not being in-sync with your morals doesn't make them unlikable, it only means that you can't like them on a moral level. Likeability includes more factors than simply if they're a good person or not, or anti-heroes wouldn't be so popular.

Take the Joker for instance, a completely morally reprehensible character, but extremely likeable. He's abusive, petty and has increased the population of orphans by the hundreds, but that doesn't take away from his entertainment value. With the right writer, you could easily have a story with him as a protagonist simply because he's the type of character who's so crazy that you kind of want to see him succeed just to see what he'll do next (Again, if written right).

[Soppa Saia People]

The "GOKU SUXS NOW" threads, and the flood of posts like, "GOKOU WAS ALWAYS LIKE THAT YA DUMBO". I'm gonna quote Gaffer on this one, because that really isn't true.

I'm going to go against the grain here, methinks. I'm not a fan of the "hope of the universe" Goku. Even the movie Toei Goku can get a bit outside of the character at times. But I honestly feel the accidental hero, selfish manchild aspect is far too overstated as well. Maybe it's fans pulling against FUNimation's depictions. Maybe it's Toriyama pulling against Toei's depictions. But Goku is (or was at least) very selflessly heroic. I think he, unfortunately, became less so over time as he began inheriting "Saiyan" characteristics that were then claimed to have always been there. But remember this is a guy who abandons his epic quest without hesitation to carry a sea turtle back to his home, with no thought of reward or expectation of fighting, just because it's the right thing to do. He finishes gathering all the Dragon Balls, even the ones he doesn't care about, just to bring an innocent man back to life. Yes, he is driven by battle. Yes, he is simple and is often motivated by his own desires. Yes, he can often make reckless decisions. No, he does not live by an overt code or sit in the Hall of Justice waiting to battle the Legion of Doom. And I love all of those things about him. But that's not all Goku is at all, and it pains me that he continues to be pushed further in that direction as the years go on.

[ABED]

Goku being called a "sociopath". I've seen this word being tossed around too much recently when people have been trying to articulate what Goku's current characterisation in Supe is, and it annoys the fuck out of me how nonchalantly people use that term. Seriously, do some fucking research of what it means to be a "sociopath" before you actually label someone that. It's not a word that should be used lightly.

That reminds me of another gear grinder, the notion that you can't have a protagonist who does morally wrong things (This is more general than Dragon Ball specific) because it means they're unlikable. A character not being in-sync with your morals doesn't make them unlikable, it only means that you can't like them on a moral level. Likeability includes more factors than simply if they're a good person or not, or anti-heroes wouldn't be so popular.

Take the Joker for instance, a completely morally reprehensible character, but extremely likeable. He's abusive, petty and has increased the population of orphans by the hundreds, but that doesn't take away from his entertainment value. With the right writer, you could easily have a story with him as a protagonist simply because he's the type of character who's so crazy that you kind of want to see him succeed just to see what he'll do next (Again, if written right).

Beyond that I think characters just have to be interesting, not necessarily likeable. Likeability is a good quality to have, especially in a hero, but as you say, to limit that to always doing the right thing is narrow-minded.

[Pickle_Jar]

Goku being called a "sociopath". I've seen this word being tossed around too much recently when people have been trying to articulate what Goku's current characterisation in Supe is, and it annoys the fuck out of me how nonchalantly people use that term. Seriously, do some fucking research of what it means to be a "sociopath" before you actually label someone that. It's not a word that should be used lightly.

Another problem is people confuse sociopathy and psychopathy a lot. In that vein, pretty much all Saiyajins have sociopathic traits. That doesn't make them sociopaths.

For comparison's sake:

Psychopaths are cool, calculating and clean. They premeditate what they're going to do before they do it. They have zero empathy and don't feel guilty if they hurt somebody.

Sociopaths are impulsive, reckless and sloppy. They don't premeditate what they're going to do, they make it up as they go along. They have empathy and feel guilty if they hurt somebody they're close to.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Psycho ... _Sociopath

[Kanassa]

Goku being called a "sociopath". I've seen this word being tossed around too much recently when people have been trying to articulate what Goku's current characterisation in Supe is, and it annoys the fuck out of me how nonchalantly people use that term. Seriously, do some fucking research of what it means to be a "sociopath" before you actually label someone that. It's not a word that should be used lightly.

That reminds me of another gear grinder, the notion that you can't have a protagonist who does morally wrong things (This is more general than Dragon Ball specific) because it means they're unlikable. A character not being in-sync with your morals doesn't make them unlikable, it only means that you can't like them on a moral level. Likeability includes more factors than simply if they're a good person or not, or anti-heroes wouldn't be so popular.

Take the Joker for instance, a completely morally reprehensible character, but extremely likeable. He's abusive, petty and has increased the population of orphans by the hundreds, but that doesn't take away from his entertainment value. With the right writer, you could easily have a story with him as a protagonist simply because he's the type of character who's so crazy that you kind of want to see him succeed just to see what he'll do next (Again, if written right).

Beyond that I think characters just have to be interesting, not necessarily likeable. Likeability is a good quality to have, especially in a hero, but as you say, to limit that to always doing the right thing is narrow-minded.

I would say that in this context, being likeable and being interesting are the same.

[ekrolo2]

Goku being called a "sociopath". I've seen this word being tossed around too much recently when people have been trying to articulate what Goku's current characterisation in Supe is, and it annoys the fuck out of me how nonchalantly people use that term. Seriously, do some fucking research of what it means to be a "sociopath" before you actually label someone that. It's not a word that should be used lightly.

That reminds me of another gear grinder, the notion that you can't have a protagonist who does morally wrong things (This is more general than Dragon Ball specific) because it means they're unlikable. A character not being in-sync with your morals doesn't make them unlikable, it only means that you can't like them on a moral level. Likeability includes more factors than simply if they're a good person or not, or anti-heroes wouldn't be so popular.

Take the Joker for instance, a completely morally reprehensible character, but extremely likeable. He's abusive, petty and has increased the population of orphans by the hundreds, but that doesn't take away from his entertainment value. With the right writer, you could easily have a story with him as a protagonist simply because he's the type of character who's so crazy that you kind of want to see him succeed just to see what he'll do next (Again, if written right).

Ditto, this whole idea that a character has to be likable for you to get invested or interested in them is total horseshit. Especially because you've got really famous examples like John Constantine, Elric of Melnibone and yes, Goku, who are far from paragons of virtue and who's most interesting stuff comes from the fact they're really flawed people.