Things that grind your gears

[TheZFighter]

When some people praise mediocrity or garbage, like its breaking new ground. AKA Dragon Ball Super

So you don't like the idea of people liking stuff that you don't like?

I never said that or implied it, DBS is nothing more than uncreative and uninspired mediocrity most of the time and during certain points of the story, some people try to make more out of something of what's really being shown.

Well it was certainly implied. You say that it grinds your gears "when some people praise mediocrity or garbage. AKA Dragon Ball Super". That's more than an implication.

The way I try to look at it, this is the first time many fans will be experiencing the release new Dragon Ball content it. Odds are they're going to enjoy it.

I don't think Super is ALL bad. I certainly prefer it to GT.

[Nia]

The second time he and Goku fought (what, two chapters later?), this happened [spoiler][/spoiler]

That was their first fight.

So it was!
Guess my memory was a bit more faulty than I thought.
Honestly, I think that's a further way of cementing how Yamcha was mostly played for laughs...

If you want that type of character then you could watch Superman movies.

Or the animated series because the movies are awful.

You best not be talking about the Christopher Reeve films, otherwise them's fightin' words. =_=

[Ripper 30]

- Masako Nozawa's voice of adult Goku. I cannot, for the life of me, find it fitting for a character who has a body-builder physique. The scream especially ... ugh.

I don't know what has appearance got to do with voice, have you heard Mike Tyson voice?
His voice is much more high pitched than we would expect from a muscular man and trust me I have actually seen adult man with High Pitched voices and its not really that uncommon and I don't know why you are looking at Dragon Ball in such a realistic way. Gokū is a character entirely made up for that kind of child-yet-adult personality and thus the voice fits him Flawlessly and he doesn't even look like a Body builder, look at Tenshinhan or Broli now that's what we call body builder . I don't know how you didn't say that "I cannot find it fitting that in the world of Dragon Ball their are flying cars and Dinasours co-existing together" or "King of the Earth being a Dog" or "Entire houses and Cars can be minimized in a capsule" or "people flying and shooting Ki Blast and Blowing up Planets".

MasakoX's voice of adult TFS Goku. Sounds gay and lame. I know his voice with the S's is something he has in default, but it annoys me.

So according to you everyone who doesn't make Gokū sound deep has a gayish voice

[8000 Saiyan]

The second time he and Goku fought (what, two chapters later?), this happened [spoiler][/spoiler]

That was their first fight.

So it was!
Guess my memory was a bit more faulty than I thought.
Honestly, I think that's a further way of cementing how Yamcha was mostly played for laughs...

If you want that type of character then you could watch Superman movies.

Or the animated series because the movies are awful.

You best not be talking about the Christopher Reeve films, otherwise them's fightin' words. =_=

He IS talking about the Reeve films. He thinks the first Reeve Superman movie is godawful.

[BrolyKale]

MasakoX's voice of adult TFS Goku. Sounds gay and lame. I know his voice with the S's is something he has in default, but it annoys me.

That doesn't make any sense... you can sound like a male or a female, but not gay.

[8000 Saiyan]

- Masako Nozawa's voice of adult Goku. I cannot, for the life of me, find it fitting for a character who has a body-builder physique. The scream especially ... ugh.

People that have that type of physique can have high-pitched voices.

[Kanassa]

MasakoX's voice of adult TFS Goku. Sounds gay and lame. I know his voice with the S's is something he has in default, but it annoys me.

That doesn't make any sense... you can sound like a male or a female, but not gay.

To be fair, you can have a voice that has certain traits associated with gay people. Like, the stereotype of many gay men having an effeminate lisp.

[ABED]

You best not be talking about the Christopher Reeve films, otherwise them's fightin' words. =_=

Bring it on - in a PM.

[MaskedRider]

Blu Ray comparisons and content aren't receiving as much attention as they should besides from the Spanish speaking community

[Nickolaidas]

- Masako Nozawa's voice of adult Goku. I cannot, for the life of me, find it fitting for a character who has a body-builder physique. The scream especially ... ugh.

I don't know what has appearance got to do with voice, have you heard Mike Tyson voice?
His voice is much more high pitched than we would expect from a muscular man and trust me I have actually seen adult man with High Pitched voices and its not really that uncommon and I don't know why you are looking at Dragon Ball in such a realistic way. Gokū is a character entirely made up for that kind of child-yet-adult personality and thus the voice fits him Flawlessly and he doesn't even look like a Body builder, look at Tenshinhan or Broli now that's what we call body builder . I don't know how you didn't say that "I cannot find it fitting that in the world of Dragon Ball their are flying cars and Dinasours co-existing together" or "King of the Earth being a Dog" or "Entire houses and Cars can be minimized in a capsule" or "people flying and shooting Ki Blast and Blowing up Planets".

MasakoX's voice of adult TFS Goku. Sounds gay and lame. I know his voice with the S's is something he has in default, but it annoys me.

So according to you everyone who doesn't make Gokū sound deep has a gayish voice

So you're telling me that I'm wrong to be annoyed by something that annoys me?

I find Nozawa's voice unfitting for a grown man. The yell especially irritates me. I don't care how Mike Tyson sounded - if he was also high pitched, I would find his voice equally cringe-worthy. It's my honest opinion.

As for MasakoX, no, his voice is deep enough - it's the accent and the way he makes the 's' ending in various words that annoys me. I watched him on live interviews and the voice still grinds my gear - it's not ONLY Goku related - I have issues with his accent.

[SaiyanGod117]

Well it was certainly implied. You say that it grinds your gears "when some people praise mediocrity or garbage, like it's breaking new ground. AKA Dragon Ball Super". That's more than an implication.

It certainly wasn't, you just misinterpreted that way.

The way I try to look at it, this is the first time many fans will be experiencing the release new Dragon Ball content it. Odds are they're going to enjoy it.

Doubt it, if your talking about someone who's never been exposed to Dragon Ball before, even a good bunch of long time DB fans have dropped Super or don't like it.

[Nia]

You best not be talking about the Christopher Reeve films, otherwise them's fightin' words. =_=

Bring it on - in a PM.

Oh, it's on... momentarily in a PM!

[Sailor Haumea]

My two cents:

First two Superman films are good.
Can't remember for the life of me what the third one was about.
Fourth one is utter shit and rightly considered one of the worst superhero films of all time.

Anyway, things that grind my gears:

-Thinking that power levels actually matter. They're okay when you're not trying to use them for matchups, and are just fucking around by making a silly list. It becomes a problem when you say those statistics have any actual bearing. There's "power scaling", which is just basic "Tenshinhan and Krillin are around the same level, Goku and Vegeta are around the same level" etc - just a metric of approximate strength compared to other people. But that's stuff that's obvious and doesn't require numbers. We all know the humans are weaker than the Saiyans. That's common sense. Then there's "power levels" which is arbitrary statistics that's attaching numbers to characters, ignoring the fact that characters are human and can get fatigued. No one has an infinite reserve of power besides Androids 17 and 18 and Cell.
-The existence of Minus. It's offensive in its badness. Gine has armor that literally looks like a skirt. She's a doting housewife straight out of a 1950s sitcom. When I think "Saiyan woman", Selypa comes to mind, not...this shit. It also tries to make Goku into Superman, and furthers the trend of making Bardock special that started with Episode of Bardock. The original TV special was great. What followed was unnecessary. It's even worse considering Toriyama is on record as saying he LOVED the Bardock special...and then proceeded to make a manga that completely screws it over. I'll stick with the TV special when it comes to Bardock backstory, thanks.
-Much of the stuff since 2008 and the "revival" of DB is unnecessary. The JSAT special is inconsequential. Kai is a shitty version of Z. Heroes is glorified fanfiction. Episode of Bardock is tolerable as a what-if, but has become annoying due to people trying to say it actually happened. Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans is an inferior version of the original OVA. Battle of Gods is okay. Jaco is great. Minus, as said before, is awful. Resurrection "F" is unnecessary and kinda dumb, and continued the trend of Super Saiyan forms that are just recolors of SS1 (because fuck originality). Super is dragged down by the first two arcs being recaps, and the only chunk that has actually been enjoyable was Zamasu. The rest is boring. Dragon Ball should've stayed dead. Sure, this resurgence brought us Jaco, but it brought a bunch of awful stuff along with it.

[8000 Saiyan]

My two cents:

First two Superman films are good.
Can't remember for the life of me what the third one was about.
Fourth one is utter shit and rightly considered one of the worst superhero films of all time.

Anyway, things that grind my gears:

-Thinking that power levels actually matter. They're okay when you're not trying to use them for matchups, and are just fucking around by making a silly list. It becomes a problem when you say those statistics have any actual bearing. There's "power scaling", which is just basic "Tenshinhan and Krillin are around the same level, Goku and Vegeta are around the same level" etc - just a metric of approximate strength compared to other people. But that's stuff that's obvious and doesn't require numbers. We all know the humans are weaker than the Saiyans. That's common sense. Then there's "power levels" which is arbitrary statistics that's attaching numbers to characters, ignoring the fact that characters are human and can get fatigued. No one has an infinite reserve of power besides Androids 17 and 18 and Cell.
-The existence of Minus. It's offensive in its badness. Gine has armor that literally looks like a skirt. She's a doting housewife straight out of a 1950s sitcom. When I think "Saiyan woman", Selypa comes to mind, not...this shit. It also tries to make Goku into Superman, and furthers the trend of making Bardock special that started with Episode of Bardock. The original TV special was great. What followed was unnecessary. It's even worse considering Toriyama is on record as saying he LOVED the Bardock special...and then proceeded to make a manga that completely screws it over. I'll stick with the TV special when it comes to Bardock backstory, thanks.
-Much of the stuff since 2008 and the "revival" of DB is unnecessary. The JSAT special is inconsequential. Kai is a shitty version of Z. Heroes is glorified fanfiction. Episode of Bardock is tolerable as a what-if, but has become annoying due to people trying to say it actually happened. Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans is an inferior version of the original OVA. Battle of Gods is okay. Jaco is great. Minus, as said before, is awful. Resurrection "F" is unnecessary and kinda dumb, and continued the trend of Super Saiyan forms that are just recolors of SS1 (because fuck originality). Super is dragged down by the first two arcs being recaps, and the only chunk that has actually been enjoyable was Zamasu. The rest is boring. Dragon Ball should've stayed dead. Sure, this resurgence brought us Jaco, but it brought a bunch of awful stuff along with it.

Supes got drunk in the third one.

[Nia]

My two cents:

First two Superman films are good.
Can't remember for the life of me what the third one was about.
Fourth one is utter shit and rightly considered one of the worst superhero films of all time.

Honestly, I don't even consider the fourth one that bad. Or rather, I think it's so bad it's good.
I've legit seen worse, but I won't say it on here for fear of turning this into a different beast altogether.

So, to get myself back on track in the thread, something that grinds my gear:


The way Toyotaro draws Zamasu. Really, Toyotaro in general, but especially Zamasu. What is with his neck being thicker than Goku's legs? Why does he have an emover hairdo? For some reason, this drives me absolutely bonkers.

[TheZFighter]

It certainly wasn't, you just misinterpreted that way.

Doubt it, if your talking about someone who's never been exposed to Dragon Ball before, even a good bunch of long time DB fans have dropped Super or don't like it.

I tend to interpret things how they're written.

I haven't mentioned "long time DB fans".

[DragonBallKing]

The fact we still don't have an accurate reliable Dragon Ball wiki. Seeing Dubism's in subtitles for Super also rustles my jamies.

[dbgtFO]

[spoiler][/spoiler]
The way Toyotaro draws Zamasu. Really, Toyotaro in general, but especially Zamasu. What is with his neck being thicker than Goku's legs? Why does he have an emover hairdo? For some reason, this drives me absolutely bonkers.

The neck is definitely a Toyotaro thing, he also drew Black with a thick neck most of the time, as opposed to the anime making him slim, his elegance in contrast to the foul brutish mortals.
In regards to his hair, there was a correction made by Toriyama, specifically for Toyotaro to draw inspiration from, but I can't recall, if he drew his hair like that.

The fact we still don't have an accurate reliable Dragon Ball wiki. Seeing Dubism's in subtitles for Super also rustles my jamies.

Yeah, that one particularly bothers me.. wish we could buy those $÷@#!& out and make a proper wiki. The in house Kanzenshuu wiki is still being worked on over 5 years after announcing it, so at this rate we shouldn't expect it very soon.

[8000 Saiyan]

How hypocritical fans can be.

Sure, but could you be specific?

I'll give you one example: There's this one guy who used to post a lot on Kanzenshuu who said he didn't mind cartoony voices in the Funi dub, yet he hated the Ocean dub for having cartoony voices. I have a feeling this guy hates Canadians.

I take back what I said, since this guy likes Ed Edd'n Eddy, a cartoon that the guys from the Ocean Group worked on.

[SaiyanGod117]

It certainly wasn't, you just misinterpreted that way.

Doubt it, if your talking about someone who's never been exposed to Dragon Ball before, even a good bunch of long time DB fans have dropped Super or don't like it.

I tend to interpret things how they're written.

I haven't mentioned "long time DB fans".

Well you obviously misinterpreted this one.