Kai vs. Z Dub

[Metalwario64]

She's not flamboyant as much as androgynous and vaguely sexual. Freeza comes off as a 80's cartoon villain.

I....never got "sexual" from that voice. I also haven't heard of an 80's cartoon that sounds like Frieza in the Funi Dub. Feel free to point me to performances that are similar.

"Four strong men against little ol' me" and "Okay big boy, whatever turns you on!" don't sound sexual to you?

[Kokonoe]

She's not flamboyant as much as androgynous and vaguely sexual. Freeza comes off as a 80's cartoon villain.

I....never got "sexual" from that voice. I also haven't heard of an 80's cartoon that sounds like Frieza in the Funi Dub. Feel free to point me to performances that are similar.

"Four strong men against little ol' me" and "Okay big boy, whatever turns you on!" don't sound sexual to you?

lol, I had forgotten about those lines. Yes, that absolutely does. Once again, an issue with the script.

[ABED]

That could've been for a myriad of reasons, such as age. Certain voice actors can't do certain voices even 8 or so years after the fact due their voice changing with time or age. With that said, I can actually disagree with Sabat. Of course, I haven't heard Young's performance at the time of Kai as that was behind closed doors, so who knows?

Sabat has stated why in interviews.

We differ here, no one is more correct than the other.

We aren't debating over what's the best color. While there's room for debate in many cases, there are in fact bad performances.

[dragon boss z]

Definitely Kai

[Prince of Vegetables]

SSUltimateGoku. THAT'S who I had my argument with! Couldn't remember his name when I brought that story up. That guy's some ungodly mix of a fanboy, nostalgia brat, copycat (since he tried to copy the format I was responding to him in & doing it rather poorly), illiterate (since he makes a lot of elementary spelling & grammar mistakes), & just a person who acts first before thinking something through. I've NEVER been so frustrated in an argument with someone who seems like a troll, but is actually legitimate in their own bullshit rants. My god, that guy.

SSUltimateGoku is TeenGohanFighter. Also, he is on this forum under the name Gokuisasuperhero and started the Bruce
come back thread viewtopic.php?f=7&t=38175

Lol I was just thinking the same now that you confirmed that Gokuisasuperhero was TeengohanFighter it makes sense

I guessed it was him from the very beginning

[Big Green The Yoshi]

Kai by a country mile.

[Robo4900]

If we're talking purely about the Funimation dubs, Kai wins by a landslide.

If we include the Ocean dubs(Excluding Kai, of course ), they win for me.
The reason is: If I want to watch a faithful version of Dragon Ball, I'll watch it in Japanese. If I want to watch that fun '90s cartoon I used to watch way back when with my brother, I'll watch the Ocean dub.
Plus, I prefer the Ocean voices(Since this is a case of Ocean vs Kai, my preference of the voices is for purely subjective reasons, which I won't bore you with).

[8000 Saiyan]

That terrible dialog can affect and clearly did affect the performance. Young is the kind of performer that can't make chicken salad out of chicken feathers.

I'm not alone in my view.

You say it is sinister but it doesn't come across as a dangerous character. It comes across as a Saturday morning cartoon villain. There's nothing sinister about her delivery of "I'll beat your tail" or "round and round the monkey goes, if he stops off with his nose". There is something unsettling about a person who is very relaxed about hurting people. Whether you are alone or not in your view doesn't matter. Sabat found Ayres because Young couldn't properly deliver the lines from more accurate scripts.

No, I have no problem with Young's flamboyancy with the voice, I just feel it's a better execution of it.

She's not flamboyant as much as androgynous and vaguely sexual. Freeza comes off as a 80's cartoon villain.

Every single line that comes out of Young's mouth as Freeza is a strain. She's not remotely natural or relaxed. It's a forced performance.

You could say that while she comes off as a 80's cartoon villain, Young doesn't have the charm or the acting talent of Frank Welker's Megatron, Chris Latta's Cobra Commander and Alan Oppenheimer's Skeletor.

[ABED]

You could say that while she comes off as a 80's cartoon villain, Young doesn't have the charm or the acting talent of Frank Welker's Megatron, Chris Latta's Cobra Commander and Alan Oppenheimer's Skeletor.

Of course not. You mentioned the best of the best.

[8000 Saiyan]

Had Latta lived, I bet he could have done an amazing Frieza if he lowered down either his Starscream or Cobra Commander voice.

[MR.Mark]

Kai without a doubt, adapted for western audiences but keeping it's spirit intact, with great enjoyable acting.

[DragonBallKing]

Kai without a doubt, although it's still not as perfect as it could have been with a few more recasts and ditching some of the old dub terms.

[Asura]

Very easily and obviously Kai. For some reason I keep seeing in the comments of Kai clips on Youtube (the most upvoted comments, no less) people saying that Kai is "the worst thing to ever happen to Dragon Ball" and that all the voice actors sound like they're phoning it in and just want to get a paycheck, and how the script and the voice actors were so much better and passionate in Z.

I've already given myself a rash from how hard I've been scratching my head. Can't even begin to understand how people can come to conclusions like that, let alone what seems like a good majority of people. They all insist it's not nostalgia, but when you make comments like that I don't know what else you would call it.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Very easily and obviously Kai. For some reason I keep seeing in the comments of Kai clips on Youtube (the most upvoted comments, no less) people saying that Kai is "the worst thing to ever happen to Dragon Ball" and that all the voice actors sound like they're phoning it in and just want to get a paycheck, and how the script and the voice actors were so much better and passionate in Z.

I've already given myself a rash from how hard I've been scratching my head. Can't even begin to understand how people can come to conclusions like that, let alone what seems like a good majority of people. They all insist it's not nostalgia, but when you make comments like that I don't know what else you would call it.

To be fair, I can totally understand people who make the "phoning it in" complaint regarding some characters. Eric Vale's Trunks is the first that comes to mind as one whose Kai performance was quite a demotion compared to Z.

[8000 Saiyan]

Very easily and obviously Kai. For some reason I keep seeing in the comments of Kai clips on Youtube (the most upvoted comments, no less) people saying that Kai is "the worst thing to ever happen to Dragon Ball" and that all the voice actors sound like they're phoning it in and just want to get a paycheck, and how the script and the voice actors were so much better and passionate in Z.

I've already given myself a rash from how hard I've been scratching my head. Can't even begin to understand how people can come to conclusions like that, let alone what seems like a good majority of people. They all insist it's not nostalgia, but when you make comments like that I don't know what else you would call it.

To be fair, I can totally understand people who make the "phoning it in" complaint regarding some characters. Eric Vale's Trunks is the first that comes to mind as one whose Kai performance was quite a demotion compared to Z.

Vale's performance in Kai was better, but his voice in Z was better IMO.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Vale's performance in Kai was better, but his voice in Z was better IMO.

What does that mean? If you're saying the script was better, I'd agree, but I don't understand the distinction between the voice and the performance.

[Asura]

To be fair, I can totally understand people who make the "phoning it in" complaint regarding some characters. Eric Vale's Trunks is the first that comes to mind as one whose Kai performance was quite a demotion compared to Z.

I disagree. I think 8000 Saiyan is right when he says that Vale's voice was much better in Z, but his performance is clearly better in Kai.
I also don't see any examples of characters phoning it in. It's very obvious to see that they're all much better than they were in Z because in Z they were all amateurs. The voice actors themselves even admit they're a lot better now, and it shows.

Vale's performance in Kai was better, but his voice in Z was better IMO.

What does that mean? If you're saying the script was better, I'd agree, but I don't understand the distinction between the voice and the performance.

Voice is how a voice actor sounds
Performance is how a voice actor emotes.

[8000 Saiyan]

Vale's performance in Kai was better, but his voice in Z was better IMO.

What does that mean? If you're saying the script was better, I'd agree, but I don't understand the distinction between the voice and the performance.

I'm saying his acting in Kai was better. It's not difficult to understand the difference between acting and voice.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Voice is how a voice actor sounds
Performance is how a voice actor emotes.

I think I get you. Though I wouldn't say there's much difference between Eric Vale's Trunks as far as emotion goes between Z and Kai.

We'll soon get to see what he's really made of in Super, though. Only... half a year maybe?

[8000 Saiyan]

Voice is how a voice actor sounds
Performance is how a voice actor emotes.

I think I get you. Though I wouldn't say there's much difference between Eric Vale's Trunks as far as emotion goes between Z and Kai.

We'll soon get to see what he's really made of in Super, though. Only... half a year maybe?

I think he'll do a good job. He needs to take off his rasp and he'll be fine.