You think Toriyama has a thing for feisty, obnoxious females?

[TheGreatness25]

But again, he was never obligated to do anything with Chichi anyway. If he never wrote her into the Tenkaichi Budokai to marry Goku, then nobody would ever remember her any more than people remembered the Rabbit Boss.

[ABED]

But again, he was never obligated to do anything with Chichi anyway. If he never wrote her into the Tenkaichi Budokai to marry Goku, then nobody would ever remember her any more than people remembered the Rabbit Boss.

I think I would, if only because a girl who decapitates a dinosaur is pretty memorable and she's Gyumao's daughter who was Son Gohan's friend and training partner. If she never came back after first being introduced, Chichi's desire to marry Goku would've been an unresolved, albeit small, plot point.

[TheGreatness25]

I didn't mean that nobody would remember her, I meant that nobody would remember her the way that they ended up remembering her. She decapitated a dinosaur and was Gyumao's daughter, who was Gohan's friend. Sure. But that doesn't mean that Chichi needed to be featured in the story. I mean for one thing, how many volumes of the manga came out without Chichi? How many episodes passed without Chichi being involved? I don't think too many people were sitting around that whole time going, "You know what... What the hell happened to Chichi?"

[WittyUsername]

Videl's current characterization is pretty far from feisty.

[Bruma rabu]

This is a super-fucked-up thing to say and is not OK.

Much appreciation to everyone else's well-written posts citing relevant points.

I dont think his joke was that bad that it needed to be called out this way. Sure it might be a little offensive most funny jokes are but not "super-fucked-up". His comment could be easily applied to most of the main female cast. What he said didn't target nobody and was too broad that it would be silly for some to actually take seriously. I would like to believe that females in this forum are mature enough that trivial little things like this won't bother them and don't need protection from comments like this.

[Melee_Sovereign]

I think you're exaggerating a little. There's a lot of Dragon Ball women not like that. 18, Videl, Nice Launch, Mrs. Brief, and more recently, Kale and Vados and probably the other female angels, and maybe Helles too. The ones who are like that are Bulma, Chi-Chi, Mean Launch, Caulifla and who else? Seems like there's more female characters who are not like that.

[TheGreatness25]

You know, when you think about it, there are lots of females not like that. We're talking Arale, Suno, the priest's daughter in the first episodes of Dragon Ball, Lanfan, Maron, "nice" Lunch (I pulled a Toriyama and forgot about her), Bulma's mom, etc., etc. I feel like the only "fiesty" women are Bulma, Chichi at times (though it is justified when everyone thinks that her 5 year old should be fighting murderous planet conquerors), and Videl in the very beginning. Other than that... nah.

[Bruma rabu]

I think you're exaggerating a little. There's a lot of Dragon Ball women not like that. 18, Videl, Nice Launch, Mrs. Brief, and more recently, Kale and Vados and probably the other female angels, and maybe Helles too. The ones who are like that are Bulma, Chi-Chi, Mean Launch, Caulifla and who else? Seems like there's more female characters who are not like that.

While there might be less women like that, the main cast of women are. When you think of the women of dragon ball who come to mind first? Also while 18 isn't necessarily obnoxious, she shares a similar strong personality that the other women in the show have. Videl started off feisty and obnoxious and to be honest it wouldn't be out of character if she acted like that again in super.
While it might be over exaggerated and most of the women aren't like that, the memorable and iconic ones are.

[Melee_Sovereign]

While there might be less women like that, the main cast of women are. When you think of the women of dragon ball who come to mind first? Also while 18 isn't necessarily obnoxious, she shares a similar strong personality that the other women in the show have. Videl started off feisty and obnoxious and to be honest it wouldn't be out of character if she acted like that again in super.
While it might be over exaggerated and most of the women aren't like that, the memorable and iconic ones are.

I personally never found Videl to be obnoxious. She was feisty without it being annoying. Okay she was a little annoying at times, but even in her annoying moments, she maintained composer and rationale, whereas the likes of Bulma and Chi-Chi lose composer on a regular basis. I suppose 18's personality could be seen as strong, but it's not similar to Bulma or Chi-Chi at all. Just because one could say all three have strong personalities, doesn't mean they're similar. We could just as easily say that Vegeta and Hit have strong personalities, but it doesn't mean they're similar. 18 always remains composed, is quiet, and she's not emotional at all. Even when she's angry, she's composed. And I would also consider her one of the memorable and iconic women. So between her, Chi-Chi and Bulma, I suppose at least a 3rd of the "memorable" women don't fit the title description of this thread.

[Kanassa]

Videl's current characterization is pretty far from feisty.

To be fair, that's TOEI's writing of her. So far, Videl doesn't seem to fit in anywhere in Toriyama's plot outside of her one use in BOG

[Bruma rabu]

I personally never found Videl to be obnoxious. She was feisty without it being annoying. Okay she was a little annoying at times, but even in her annoying moments, she maintained composer and rationale, whereas the likes of Bulma and Chi-Chi lose composer on a regular basis. I suppose 18's personality could be seen as strong, but it's not similar to Bulma or Chi-Chi at all. Just because one could say all three have strong personalities, doesn't mean they're similar. We could just as easily say that Vegeta and Hit have strong personalities, but it doesn't mean they're similar. 18 always remains composed, is quiet, and she's not emotional at all. Even when she's angry, she's composed. And I would also consider her one of the memorable and iconic women. So between her, Chi-Chi and Bulma, I suppose at least a 3rd of the "memorable" women don't fit the title description of this thread.

I didn't say that she has a similar personality to them but that she has a strong one like them. Obviously 18 would be apart of the iconic women of dragon ball. You don't consider getting into Gohans business obnoxious? I think the poster should of just titled this something else but I can understand why they choose to name it this way. Also I would consider Pan as an icon girl in the series but I'm sure somebody will just come out and say "but Toriyama didn't have anything to do with her" so I guess she'll just have be left out.

[ABED]

You don't consider getting into Gohans business obnoxious?

When? In the Great Saiyaman arc? I don't think she was obnoxious, she just wanted the truth.

[Bruma rabu]

When? In the Great Saiyaman arc? I don't think she was obnoxious, she just wanted the truth.

A truth she had no business knowing. I don't take dragon ball seriously but a lot of videl's actions looks a lot like harassment. I would consider someone harassing some else to be obnoxious, but that's just me I guess.

[ABED]

When? In the Great Saiyaman arc? I don't think she was obnoxious, she just wanted the truth.

A truth she had no business knowing. I don't take dragon ball seriously but a lot of videl's actions looks a lot like harassment. I would consider someone harassing some else to be obnoxious, but that's just me I guess.

Why did she not have any business knowing it? It's not like Gohan was an undercover cop.

[Bruma rabu]

Why did she not have any business knowing it? It's not like Gohan was an undercover cop.

So if you suspect some one of being a hero you'd follow them around and demand that they reveal their identy to you? I mean you just want to know the truth right? Its not like its obnoxious to pester them cause you just want the truth right? I mean it's not like it non of your business right?

[ABED]

Why did she not have any business knowing it? It's not like Gohan was an undercover cop.

So if you suspect some one of being a hero you'd follow them around and demand that they reveal their identy to you? I mean you just want to know the truth right? Its not like its obnoxious to pester them cause you just want the truth right? I mean it's not like it non of your business right?

If you had good reason to suspect someone of being a superhero, wouldn't you want to know? And why does she have no business knowing? She's been deputized and he's been showing up wherever she is, so she has justification for wanting to figure it out.

[Bruma rabu]

If you had good reason to suspect someone of being a superhero, wouldn't you want to know? And why does she have no business knowing?

Sure, but i know people who do that have their reason to keep it a secret. She doesn't know Gohan on a personal level, period. She shouldn't be poking her nose around in his privet life with that reason alone.

[ABED]

If you had good reason to suspect someone of being a superhero, wouldn't you want to know? And why does she have no business knowing?

Sure, but i know people who do that have their reason to keep it a secret. She doesn't know Gohan on a personal level, period. She shouldn't be poking her nose around in his privet life with that reason alone.

She's not poking around his private life. The Great Saiyaman isn't his private life. Yes, people keep secrets for a reason, often good reasons, but most aren't going out fighting criminals as a superhero. This isn't the sort of thing I find obnoxious. I do think female characters get knocked for doing the same things the male characters do but male characters don't get near the amount of flack.

[Bruma rabu]

She's not poking around his private life. The Great Saiyaman isn't his private life. Yes, people keep secrets for a reason, often good reasons, but most aren't going out fighting criminals as a superhero.

The thing is it doesn't matter if it his private life or not. She was being obnoxious towards him.

[ABED]

She's not poking around his private life. The Great Saiyaman isn't his private life. Yes, people keep secrets for a reason, often good reasons, but most aren't going out fighting criminals as a superhero.

The thing is it doesn't matter if it his private life or not. She was being obnoxious towards him.

Fair enough, but it was fun seeing their relationship develop. Starting off slightly antagonistic gave Toriyama some place to go with them.