Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
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Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
For the longest time the Dragonball series was over. It was done. Of course we got new videogames and spinoff material, but for the most part the franchise was done. As someone who has been on Dragonball related forums since the year 2000, I kinda miss the pre-2013 days before the Beerus movie came out leading into the Super era when everything was discussed.
Stuff like the 2008 special was a pleasant surprise because nobody expected to get anything new. Hence why it's still so loved to this day, (besides letting Trunks/Goten actually fight which Super never does). However ever since 2013 onward we've gotten consistent new material on a weekly basis, an ongoing series with new characters, stories, forms, new movies, new villains, etc.
I kinda miss the Dragonball fandom from say 2000-2012 or so. It felt like we knew the franchise was done and everyone would just discuss the sagas and everything was wrapped up with a nice little ribbon. Nowadays it almost seems like that time is a distant memory. Like it's hard to remember a time Super didn't exist, when we had no new show to watch. Feels weird.
Stuff like the 2008 special was a pleasant surprise because nobody expected to get anything new. Hence why it's still so loved to this day, (besides letting Trunks/Goten actually fight which Super never does). However ever since 2013 onward we've gotten consistent new material on a weekly basis, an ongoing series with new characters, stories, forms, new movies, new villains, etc.
I kinda miss the Dragonball fandom from say 2000-2012 or so. It felt like we knew the franchise was done and everyone would just discuss the sagas and everything was wrapped up with a nice little ribbon. Nowadays it almost seems like that time is a distant memory. Like it's hard to remember a time Super didn't exist, when we had no new show to watch. Feels weird.
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Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
Yes, it does.
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Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
Tbh I don't even think I would be here for if it weren't for BoG, with the series well over there wouldn't be much incentive for me to discuss the series to the point I'd wanna sign up to a forum, y'know? Plus the facts topics and talking points will cycle constantly.
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Being someone who didn't get into the community until this year, it's hard and skewed of me to say. But I definitely feel alienated by not having any knowledge of Super and what its additions are and mean for the franchise and lore as a whole.
Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
I wasn't even here pre-BoG/Super but would've been eventually after picking up Kai and OG Japanese. I do remember the franchise being "over" though and it was nice being able to know how the show had ended and the story was up to us from that point forward (still technically is I guess isn't it? Unless Super delves into after EoZ). But let's be real, new content can only improve sites like this one where people are actually pleasant. Without it, the site would naturally lose steam faster. You can only discuss power levels and production history so many times without new content coming out
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I don't see how anyone can argue that the "quality" of the forum (the site itself is great) has gotten any better since the new stuff came out.Forte224 wrote:I wasn't even here pre-BoG/Super but would've been eventually after picking up Kai and OG Japanese. I do remember the franchise being "over" though and it was nice being able to know how the show had ended and the story was up to us from that point forward (still technically is I guess isn't it? Unless Super delves into after EoZ). But let's be real, new content can only improve sites like this one where people are actually pleasant. Without it, the site would naturally lose steam faster. You can only discuss power levels and production history so many times without new content coming out
Daizenshuu EX/Kanzentai/Kanzenshuu were doing perfectly well before the new stuff and the influx of people that came with it arrived.
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Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
Yeah, it was a much less frustrating landscape back then.
Without it, the Wiki's completion might still be a feasible goal.Forte224 wrote:But let's be real, new content can only improve sites like this one where people are actually pleasant. Without it, the site would naturally lose steam faster.
Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
I wasn't referring to the quality of the site. Just that it could slow down in activity faster without the new contentKamiccolo9 wrote:I don't see how anyone can argue that the "quality" of the forum (the site itself is great) has gotten any better since the new stuff came out.Forte224 wrote:I wasn't even here pre-BoG/Super but would've been eventually after picking up Kai and OG Japanese. I do remember the franchise being "over" though and it was nice being able to know how the show had ended and the story was up to us from that point forward (still technically is I guess isn't it? Unless Super delves into after EoZ). But let's be real, new content can only improve sites like this one where people are actually pleasant. Without it, the site would naturally lose steam faster. You can only discuss power levels and production history so many times without new content coming out
Daizenshuu EX/Kanzentai/Kanzenshuu were doing perfectly well before the new stuff and the influx of people that came with it arrived.
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I would much rather have slower traffic than the shit bleeding out from the Super sub-forum.Forte224 wrote:I wasn't referring to the quality of the site. Just that it could slow down in activity faster without the new contentKamiccolo9 wrote:I don't see how anyone can argue that the "quality" of the forum (the site itself is great) has gotten any better since the new stuff came out.Forte224 wrote:I wasn't even here pre-BoG/Super but would've been eventually after picking up Kai and OG Japanese. I do remember the franchise being "over" though and it was nice being able to know how the show had ended and the story was up to us from that point forward (still technically is I guess isn't it? Unless Super delves into after EoZ). But let's be real, new content can only improve sites like this one where people are actually pleasant. Without it, the site would naturally lose steam faster. You can only discuss power levels and production history so many times without new content coming out
Daizenshuu EX/Kanzentai/Kanzenshuu were doing perfectly well before the new stuff and the influx of people that came with it arrived.
So no, pre-BoG Kanzenshuu isn't a distant memory, because 4 years is nothing, but it is a sad one.
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Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
What's wrong with what's coming from the Super forum? Most stuff in General Discussion isn't even about Super. You don't seem very reasonable about thisKamiccolo9 wrote:I would much rather have slower traffic than the shit bleeding out from the Super sub-forum.Forte224 wrote:I wasn't referring to the quality of the site. Just that it could slow down in activity faster without the new contentKamiccolo9 wrote: I don't see how anyone can argue that the "quality" of the forum (the site itself is great) has gotten any better since the new stuff came out.
Daizenshuu EX/Kanzentai/Kanzenshuu were doing perfectly well before the new stuff and the influx of people that came with it arrived.
So no, pre-BoG Kanzenshuu isn't a distant memory, because 4 years is nothing, but it is a sad one.
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Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
This site began in its earliest infancy in 1998. A year after GT had ended, and 3 after the manga was done.Forte224 wrote:But let's be real, new content can only improve sites like this one where people are actually pleasant. Without it, the site would naturally lose steam faster. You can only discuss power levels and production history so many times without new content coming out
The forum we're talking in now first went up in 2004. 7 years after GT had finished, and 9 years after the manga was dead and done.
It utterly thrived on boundless discussion and new members joining in fairly large droves all the way up through 2013. That's more than 15 years (almost 20 when looking solely at the manga) after the entire series in any real capacity was completely wrapped up and a distant, distant memory.
I mean... I don't know about any of you, but that doesn't happen to just ANY media franchise out there. So I find statements like the one quoted above to be... immensely, puzzlingly wrong in the face of pretty much the entirety of the Dragon Ball fanbase's whole 2000s history. Its to the point a lot of times where I oftentimes genuinely do have to wonder just how old the series actually is in the minds of most of the post-CN U.S. fans around here: it seems like most of you tend to have been operating up to this point under some kind of a "Dragon Ball first started and was brand new beginning from the moment I first heard of it" internal logic.
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Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
I don't think I was specific enough. I'm saying new content can only make activity go up. It would almost for sure be at least mildly slower without it because we wouldn't have a whole freaking board for the new content. I'm not saying the site would be dead. Sheesh. And I'm sure some users that are pretty regular here may not have ever joined without the new content that got them interested in Dragon Ball again, like Baggie_Saiyan for example. Also, way to generalize CN fans and assume that I'm one of them.Kunzait_83 wrote:This site began in its earliest infancy in 1998. A year after GT had ended, and 3 after the manga was done.Forte224 wrote:But let's be real, new content can only improve sites like this one where people are actually pleasant. Without it, the site would naturally lose steam faster. You can only discuss power levels and production history so many times without new content coming out
The forum we're talking in now first went up in 2004. 7 years after GT had finished, and 9 years after the manga was dead and done.
It utterly thrived on boundless discussion and new members joining in fairly large droves all the way up through 2013. That's more than 15 years (almost 20 when looking solely at the manga) after the entire series in any real capacity was completely wrapped up and a distant, distant memory.
I mean... I don't know about any of you, but that doesn't happen to just ANY media franchise out there. So I find statements like the one quoted above to be... immensely wrong in the face of pretty much the entirety of the Dragon Ball fanbase's whole 2000s history. Its to the point a lot of times where I oftentimes genuinely do have to wonder just how old the series actually is in the minds of most of the post-CN U.S. fans around here: it seems like most of you tend to have been operating up to this point under some kind of a "Dragon Ball first started and was brand new beginning from the moment I first heard of it" internal logic.
Cut a guy a break, will you?
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You're saying all that like it's a bad thing.
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Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
You still haven't explained what it is about Super that's bleeding over here. It has its own board that you can ignore. And yes, more activity is always a good thing unless it turns the site into a toxic cesspool which clearly this place isn't. Nearly everything on this General Discussion board is about DB/DBZ. There's hardly any Super content anywhereKamiccolo9 wrote:You're saying all that like it's a bad thing.
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Go back to threads from 2013. Then look at the ones today.Forte224 wrote:You still haven't explained what it is about Super that's bleeding over here. It has its own board that you can ignore. And yes, more activity is always a good thing unless it turns the site into a toxic cesspool which clearly this place isn't. Nearly everything on this General Discussion board is about DB/DBZ. There's hardly any Super content anywhereKamiccolo9 wrote:You're saying all that like it's a bad thing.
If you don't see the toxicity that's sprung up mostly since 2015, then you either haven't been here before that, aren't looking very hard, or are part of it.
Edit: *Looks at join date.* Oh.
As for Super, it's not the content bleeding over, it's the mindset.
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Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
Link me a thread that's toxic. Then you'll have an argument.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Go back to threads from 2013. Then look at the ones today.Forte224 wrote:You still haven't explained what it is about Super that's bleeding over here. It has its own board that you can ignore. And yes, more activity is always a good thing unless it turns the site into a toxic cesspool which clearly this place isn't. Nearly everything on this General Discussion board is about DB/DBZ. There's hardly any Super content anywhereKamiccolo9 wrote:You're saying all that like it's a bad thing.
If you don't see the toxicity that's sprung up mostly since 2015, then you either haven't been here before that, aren't looking very hard, or are part of it.
Edit: *Looks at join date.* Oh.
"As for Super, it's not the content bleeding over, it's the mindset." Do you ever explain anything? Or do you just say things and never back them up?
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There's a lot of Super talk in In-Universe Discussion right now, stuff about Universe 7, Gods of Destruction, Jiren, Frieza's new character nuances, Ultra Instinct, etc. Which makes sense, there's a lot happening in Super right now.Forte224 wrote:You still haven't explained what it is about Super that's bleeding over here. It has its own board that you can ignore. And yes, more activity is always a good thing unless it turns the site into a toxic cesspool which clearly this place isn't. Nearly everything on this General Discussion board is about DB/DBZ. There's hardly any Super content anywhereKamiccolo9 wrote:You're saying all that like it's a bad thing.
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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=34500&start=2520
But it really started with these:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20803
viewtopic.php?t=27729
The second one, especially. There is a huge tonal shift in most of the sections of the forum, pretty sharply delineated by the Resurrection F thread.
But it really started with these:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20803
viewtopic.php?t=27729
The second one, especially. There is a huge tonal shift in most of the sections of the forum, pretty sharply delineated by the Resurrection F thread.
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Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
I'm failing to see toxicity. Sorry, don't know what you're going for hereKamiccolo9 wrote:viewtopic.php?f=7&t=34500&start=2520
But it really started with these:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20803
viewtopic.php?t=27729
The second one, especially. There is a huge tonal shift in most of the sections of the forum, pretty sharply delineated by the Resurrection F thread.
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Re: Does the franchise/fandom pre-2013 (pre Beerus and Super) now feel like a distant memory?
For my part, I've encountered a fair amount of conflicting opinions and some heated discussion, and I even felt ganged up on once, but I didn't feel like it was abjectly toxic. To me toxic means that it's impossible as a newbie to assimilate, and/or that your opinion will cause hatred with most people in said community.