Bullza wrote:Piccolo (Buu Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Kid Trunks
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SSJ Trunks stomps.
Supreme Kai vs Cell Jr
Kaioshin can paralyse the Cell Jr and then drop a block of Katchin over him or something, but if he doesn't do that he gets one shoted. Don't see any Base Saiyan, who are stated to be >> Kaioshin getting even close to Cell Games SSJs. IMO Kaioshin is somewhere in between Android 16 and Semi Cell.
Green_Goblin wrote:Chiaotzu's bind from the end of the Universe 6 Arc vs. Namek Saga 100% Final Form Frieza?
Goku was off guard when Chaozu paralised him and he still broke free without much trouble, right? If i'm rembering that scene correctly, then Freeza wins. I don't think Chaozu ever even surpassed Raditz, so he can't do jack shit to hurt Freeza.
theherodjl wrote:Let's do some fusions that were suggested, but never fulfilled.
Boo arc SSJ Goku/Gohan(not Ultimate) fusion dance vs Pure Boo.
Boo arc SSJ Gogeta vs Super Boo.
Boo arc SSJ3 Goku/Mr. Satan or SSJ3 Goku/Dende potara vs Booccolo
Boo arc SSJ3 Goku/Tenshinhan potara vs Boohan.
Boo arc SSJ3 Goku/Ultimate Gohan potara vs Beerus(the level used against SSJG Goku).
SSJ2 GT Gohan/GT Oob(after fusing with Mister Boo) fusion dance vs Syn Shenron.
1) Fusions >>> Anything the individual can pull off, so base Gogeta one shots.
2) Dunno, but i'm leaning towards Super Boo. While Gogeta shouldn't be >>> Gotenks based on adults vs kids scaling, but it's doubtful if he can go SSJ3 based on Vegeta lacking the form. SSJ2 Gogeta can definitely win though.
3) Goku said fusing with one of them would probably make him weaker, so Boo one shots.
4) Gohan-Boo stomps. While fusing with Tenshinhan wouldn't make him weaker, the gap between Gohan-Boo and SSJ3 Goku was gargantuan, and fusing with weak ass Tenshinhan wouldn't help much.
5) According to Elder Kaioshin, Vegetto is the strongest result a fusion could give. A far stronger Vegetto was unable to
dragon boss z wrote:Considering Vegito was able to fight back as a candy while everyone else became an inanimate object, I doubt any of Roshi's moves will really work.
If Roshi paralised him he wouldn't be able to move at all, so the situations aren't really comparable.
dragon boss z wrote:I definitely disagree here. Goku would molly wop any of them in base. He just had problems with the numbers. Same reason Piccolo and Gohan had trouble with the U9 fighters. Piccolo had just as much trouble if not more than Goku, yet Piccolo beat Bergamo, U9's strongest fighter 1v1 easily. Base Goku should be above all of them individually.
The numbers are irrelevant if you're far stronger than then. Nappa was effortlessy picking apart the Z Fighters and wrecking them, Goku took on 3 Ginyu members at the same time, Piccolo said no matter how many SSJ2s attacked Boo nothing would change, etc. Weaker foes teaming up can definitely manage something and even win against stronger enemies (Goku and Piccolo vs Raditz, Gohan, Piccolo and Kuririn vs Nappa when they came up with a plan, Zarbon and Dodoria vs Vegeta, Vegeta, Kuririn and Gohan vs Freeza, Z Fighters vs 18, etc) but it's pointless if they're all ants.
dragon boss z wrote:I definitely don't agree with this. There is no indication of manga goku being even close to that level.
Base Goku had trouble with assault form Frost (I believe Goku wasn't going all out though), but should at best be around final form Frost in base. Piccolo was able to give final form Frost a run for his money. That means final form Frost and base Goku can't be much stronger than super perfect Cell or good Buu as Piccolo is still weaker than good Buu at that point.
If we accept final form Frieza as still being around or above buu level, that would put ssj Caulifla a bit above ssj3 Z Goku, and she should be around but a bit weaker than Goku at that time imo.
I think all of these pretty much add up to Piccolo<base Goku<final form Frost<=>Buu<=final form Frieza<ssj Goku<ssj Vegito. And I would say all the pride troopers by themselves are all weaker than Piccolo. They are definitely all weaker than Frost, who Piccolo challenged.
What implies Piccolo is still weaker than Mr Boo? SSJ Goku was also comparable to <10% SSJB Vegeta on the U6 Arc, what places him far closer to his SSJG form than his pre God golden forms.
I dunno about the Pride Troopers being weaker than Piccolo, but i probably agree. They're all on the same realm of power as SSJ Goku though.
PFM18 wrote:I mean the movie clearly portrayed their base forms as massively stronger even calling their base forms stronger than SSG and calling it "Saiyan Beyond God" it is definitely a far cry from what we see in the manga in terms of the strength of the Base Saiyans.
Also, I think there are pretty major differences in between the three mediums as far as the power scaling is concerned.
That was never stated in the movie though, more like the opposite. Saiyan Beyond God is a thing from a Dragon Ball heroes card or something, and SSJ God is only stated to be surpassed once Goku goes SSJB. Still far stronger than their Z selves though, given how much of a big deal 1st form Freeza was treated as.
Myzt0gun wrote:MANGA Master ROSHI runs the MANGA Tournament of Power gauntlet
wins by knocking their opponent unconscious
Master Roshi vs
1) Basil
2) Ribrianne
3) Kahseral (well he was wounded when they fought so...)
4) Obuni
5) Bergamo
6) Magetta
7) Frost (Roshi didn't use his moves on frost at the start so....)
Piccolo
9) Goku (Base)
*Its hard to gauge the power level of characters in the manga cause its hinted that all fighters are not on full power in the beginning, Goku, Trio De Dangers and Vegeta said Frost was nuts for going all out form the start.
so if they were to go all out, who would win?
Roshi solos.