SSJ God not permanent?

[hleV]

It was stated in the manga that Vegeta did superior training than Goku during the 7 years

No, Vegeta trained harder. Goku had better training conditions in the afterlife so even if he wasn't training as hard, he benefited as much or even more than Vegeta. And since Goku was stronger than Vegeta to begin with, Vegeta never caught up.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Did it say superior training? I thought that it just said he trained harder.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight for a while
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…[ ] At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…”

[hleV]

So he says he thinks he trained more.

[Kamiccolo9]

Did it say superior training? I thought that it just said he trained harder.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3
Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight for a while
Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”
Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…[ ] At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…”

That doesn't mean it was superior training. Just that they were both doing special training, and Vegeta did more.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It doesn't sound to me that Vegeta says he trained more. The way I see it, it's like Goku trained under 200G, while Vegeta trained under 300G, but they got about equal gains (since the gap didn't change). Even if interpreting it as Vegeta training more, it's still the same result, and it fits with Vegeta's theory.

[hleV]

Goku's surprised at how Vegeta didn't fall behind even though he was left to train on Earth's conditions, so he realizes that Vegeta must've trained harder than him. And Vegeta only thinks he trained more, he's not even completely sure. So where does Vegeta's theory come in here? What's the exact wording of what Vegeta said during Goku's fight against Pure Boo?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That's what Vegeta said:

At first, I thought it was because you had something to protect, that having a strong mind towards defending something gave rise to some mysterious power... That certainly may be true, but if that were it, then it would have been the same for me now [since he now had to protect Bulma & Trunks]. It was to have my own way, it was for my enjoyment, it was to kill my enemies, and it was for my own pride that I had fought...

[hleV]

That makes as much sense as pure heart being a requirement for Super Saiyan. A random theory that never proven to be true.

[Draken]

That makes as much sense as pure heart being a requirement for Super Saiyan. A random theory that never proven to be true.

Yea you're right AT just put in that whole sequence of Vegeta finaly admitting he was wrong and wondering why he couldn't beat Goku and giving him his awesome speech only for us to say "Yea fuck that he's still wrong".

[hleV]

Yea you're right AT just put in that whole sequence of Vegeta finaly admitting he was wrong and wondering why he couldn't beat Goku and giving him his awesome speech only for us to say "Yea fuck that he's still wrong".

The point of that speech was for Vegeta to admit Goku's superiority. But it wouldn't look as cool and memorable if it wasn't as fancy as that.

The "passive & active mysterious power" shit isn't suggested neither in the series nor BOG. Vegeta just got a rage boost out of fucking nowhere.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yea you're right AT just put in that whole sequence of Vegeta finaly admitting he was wrong and wondering why he couldn't beat Goku and giving him his awesome speech only for us to say "Yea fuck that he's still wrong".

The point of that speech was for Vegeta to admit Goku's superiority. But it wouldn't look as cool and memorable if it wasn't as fancy as that.

We don't know why Toriyama decided to put it there. All we know is that it's there.

[Draken]

Yea you're right AT just put in that whole sequence of Vegeta finaly admitting he was wrong and wondering why he couldn't beat Goku and giving him his awesome speech only for us to say "Yea fuck that he's still wrong".

The point of that speech was for Vegeta to admit Goku's superiority. But it wouldn't look as cool and memorable if it wasn't as fancy as that.

The "passive & active mysterious power" shit isn't suggested neither in the series nor BOG. Vegeta just got a rage boost out of fucking nowhere.

You mean the same way normal humans get rage boosts when their loved ones are in danger?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The "passive & active mysterious power" shit isn't suggested neither in the series nor BOG. Vegeta just got a rage boost out of fucking nowhere.

You do realize that this was a theory, right? What you say is true, but that doesn't mean that it can't be explained.

[KentalSSJ6]

I certainly hope we dont see much of this form after BOG. I'm sure Vegeta will get it next and crap but after that, id like this form forgotten. I dont mind the design but everything else about it just seems like something out of a AF fanfic, right down to the name.

[Zephyr]

I don't know about the name being that AF-ish. Thy could have just made it another numbered SSj form, which I'm glad they din't do.

[KentalSSJ6]

I would have been fine with the form provided it actually had some buildup. It just comes out of friggin nowhere in this movie just like Broly's LSSJ form did.The whole concept is stupid. Hell even Goku doesent like the form because he didnt have to train for it. Not to sound biased but if it looked like the gold SSJ4 fanarts we started seeing, id have been much happier with the form.

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At least in my book. If SSJG was actually the "Legendary Super Saiyan" he always ranted about on Namek and SSJ1-3 were just imperfect versions of this, id wouldent mind so much but nope, it comes out of nowhere and essentially functioned as Super Saiyan Police Officer.

[TheGmGoken]

Am I the only one who thinks a yellow SSJ4 or the fan made SSG(Pretty much a A yellow SSJ4) looks AWFUL? It's so ugly and doesn't even look right. I don't think SSG looks good either but damn it look MUCH better than SSJ4 Yellow. Just saying. I agree that SSG was a fail of a transformation and plot through. I think had Goku not transformed to it again after he ate Birsu's energy ball than he would had kept the power but not the form.

[dbzfan7]

I gotta agree. I like SSJ God. But it's honestly not that special looking. It's so plain. Even though a Gold SSJ4 would be unoriginal, I still would prefer it honestly. I like the possibility of different colors for SSJ God as well (which Ryo Horikawa himself preferred a blue SSJ God Vegeta over red) and would like to see maybe 2 more of them. I'm tired of one on ones and want a big bad that requires people to work together to beat instead of one powerful being vs another.

[Kaboom]

Am I the only one who thinks a yellow SSJ4 or the fan made SSG (Pretty much a A yellow SSJ4) looks AWFUL?

Nope, you're not the only one. It'd have been excessive, predictable, and lame. I'm really glad that Super Saiyan God's appearance ended up being something completely contrary to what lots of people were calling for it to be. Just like with Beers and Whis, it goes against the norm of what you'd expect a "powerful" being to look like, and that's what makes it unique.

[Kamiccolo9]

Am I the only one who thinks a yellow SSJ4 or the fan made SSG (Pretty much a A yellow SSJ4) looks AWFUL?

Nope, you're not the only one. It'd have been excessive, predictable, and lame. I'm really glad that Super Saiyan God's appearance ended up being something completely contrary to what lots of people were calling for it to be. Just like with Beers and Whis, it goes against the norm of what you'd expect a "powerful" being to look like, and that's what makes it unique.

Same. While I'm not a fan of the concept, conditions, and creation of Super Saiyan God, I actually really like the design.