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Four touchdowns in a single game >> World champDestructoDisc wrote:I love Al to death but no way is he taking down the champ in a fightekrolo2 wrote:Al Bundy vs Mister Satan.
Maybe in a football match
This can't be a serious question. I guess you meant Oceanus Shenron or Haze.ricky84 wrote: Piccolo (ToP) vs Omega Shenron
1. It's fairly clear that Black's power-ups don't follow the same 'multipliers' as Goku's so I have no idea how to predict this.ricky84 wrote:UI Omen Goku Black vs Full Powered Base Jiren
Base Vegito (Buu saga) vs Base Goku (Baby arc)
Base Vegito (ToP) vs SSJ1 Kefla (initial)
Piccolo (ToP) vs Omega Shenron
MUI Merged Zamasu vs Whis
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Except that during the Buu arc Piccolo was inferior to the SSJ Saiyans and ToP Piccolo is superior to SSJ2 Gohan prior to the intense training. It's pretty dumb to say there's a negligible difference between them.RandomGuy96 wrote:1. It's fairly clear that Black's power-ups don't follow the same 'multipliers' as Goku's so I have no idea how to predict this.ricky84 wrote:UI Omen Goku Black vs Full Powered Base Jiren
Base Vegito (Buu saga) vs Base Goku (Baby arc)
Base Vegito (ToP) vs SSJ1 Kefla (initial)
Piccolo (ToP) vs Omega Shenron
MUI Merged Zamasu vs Whis
2. I don't even try to power scale GT these days, pass.
3. Base Vegetto is comparable to Fused Zamasu in the manga, he murders anyone below CSSB tier.
4. ToP Piccolo is negligibly stronger than Buu arc Piccolo. Not a competition.
5. How are we even supposed to predict this?
Don't care about the anime.PFM18 wrote: Except that during the Buu arc Piccolo was inferior to the SSJ Saiyans and ToP Piccolo is superior to SSJ2 Gohan prior to the intense training.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
RandomGuy96 wrote:Don't care about the anime.PFM18 wrote: Except that during the Buu arc Piccolo was inferior to the SSJ Saiyans and ToP Piccolo is superior to SSJ2 Gohan prior to the intense training.
Don't really need to pretend.PFM18 wrote: Oh right I forgot you try to pretend there are a bunch of inconsistencies when compared to the manga.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Pretty sure Roshi would still lose to all of them in an all out fight, but he would be able to dodge their strikes at first.Noah wrote:New match:
- Super (manga) Roshi vs. Freeza, Cell and Majin Boo
Ask again in three days.Noah wrote:New match:
- Super (manga) Roshi vs. Freeza, Cell and Majin Boo
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Roshi loses bad. These characters would have the intent to kill, so they wouldn’t need to suppress themselves in the slightest. They’ll be far too fast for that reason, and one blow would end it.Noah wrote:New match:
- Super (manga) Roshi vs. Freeza, Cell and Majin Boo
Roshi either solos or gets killed/eaten by Boo after he deals with Freeza and Cell.Noah wrote:New match:
- Super (manga) Roshi vs. Freeza, Cell and Majin Boo
This is not a argument or headcannon. It’s outright told by Vegeta that Jiren is not using the same strength he used against Goku. Jiren never told anything about having to use more power against Goku and Vegeta. And Hit was fighting Base Goku in the same way he fought SSB Vegeta, I don’t know what you are trying to imply here. I suggest again that users actually check the episodes before engaging in circular discussions about them.ricky84 wrote:Your argument doesn't explain why Jiren was taking Vegeta's fury of punches later in the fight more seriously than Goku's from the hour special. There was no implied sloppiness from Jiren in that episode. It's like you pull random headcanon out of nowhere.Hugo Boss wrote:Jiren wasn’t expecting Vegeta to read his movements. Obviously, that wouldn’t happen if Jiren was a bit serious. This is subtlety implied from Vegeta barely being able to make Jiren move a muscle seconds before and, as soon as Vegeta reinforced Jiren’s sloppiness, things started to go as expected again, including Vegeta being almost knocked out of the ring.ricky84 wrote:
How was Jiren off guard when he could clearly see and react to Vegeta's movements? 17 hitting Jiren in the back is an example of an off-guard attack, not anything from the Vegeta vs Jiren fight.
Also, Jiren powered up before Goku and Vegeta started using uncoordinated attacks against him, so that argument doesn't work. Besides, there is no way a character could perform better against a foe using a weaker transformation without getting stronger in general. Dragonball just doesn't work that way.
I’m not sure what you mean by “Jiren powered-up before Goku and Vegeta ganged up on him” and “Dragon Ball doesn’t work that way”. Are you suggesting SSB Goku surpassed his first Ultra Instinct level, giving that Goku clashes briefly with Jiren in that powered-up state? I suppose you are not familiar with Base Goku vs. Hit’s fight.
Jiren powered up right before Goku reuses KKx20 and Vegeta unlocks SSBE for the first time, with Jiren saying I'm gonna need more power against these two. This was before the 2 ganged up on him with bad teamwork.
Hit didn't go all out on Goku when he was in base (he even said it himself), so that argument doesn't work either.
Speak for yourself.Hugo Boss wrote:This is not a argument or headcannon. It’s outright told by Vegeta that Jiren is not using the same strength he used against Goku. Jiren never told anything about having to use more power against Goku and Vegeta. And Hit was fighting Base Goku in the same way he fought SSB Vegeta, I don’t know what you are trying to imply here. I suggest again that users actually check the episodes before engaging in circular discussions about them.ricky84 wrote:Your argument doesn't explain why Jiren was taking Vegeta's fury of punches later in the fight more seriously than Goku's from the hour special. There was no implied sloppiness from Jiren in that episode. It's like you pull random headcanon out of nowhere.Hugo Boss wrote: Jiren wasn’t expecting Vegeta to read his movements. Obviously, that wouldn’t happen if Jiren was a bit serious. This is subtlety implied from Vegeta barely being able to make Jiren move a muscle seconds before and, as soon as Vegeta reinforced Jiren’s sloppiness, things started to go as expected again, including Vegeta being almost knocked out of the ring.
I’m not sure what you mean by “Jiren powered-up before Goku and Vegeta ganged up on him” and “Dragon Ball doesn’t work that way”. Are you suggesting SSB Goku surpassed his first Ultra Instinct level, giving that Goku clashes briefly with Jiren in that powered-up state? I suppose you are not familiar with Base Goku vs. Hit’s fight.
Jiren powered up right before Goku reuses KKx20 and Vegeta unlocks SSBE for the first time, with Jiren saying I'm gonna need more power against these two. This was before the 2 ganged up on him with bad teamwork.
Hit didn't go all out on Goku when he was in base (he even said it himself), so that argument doesn't work either.
You actually do though. Far fewer inconsistencies in the anime when compared to the mangaRandomGuy96 wrote:Don't really need to pretend.PFM18 wrote: Oh right I forgot you try to pretend there are a bunch of inconsistencies when compared to the manga.
You think the manga and anime would compliment one another like they used to ...PFM18 wrote:You actually do though. Far fewer inconsistencies in the anime when compared to the mangaRandomGuy96 wrote:Don't really need to pretend.PFM18 wrote: Oh right I forgot you try to pretend there are a bunch of inconsistencies when compared to the manga.
Nonsense. Name the power inconsistencies in the manga, except Goku black base/ss1 - vegeta/Goku etc.PFM18 wrote:You actually do though. Far fewer inconsistencies in the anime when compared to the mangaRandomGuy96 wrote:Don't really need to pretend.PFM18 wrote: Oh right I forgot you try to pretend there are a bunch of inconsistencies when compared to the manga.
RoshiAvatarReiko wrote:Manga DBS Roshi vs Buu Arc Vegito
TOP SSJG Goku vs U6 Hit
Current Base Goku & Vegeta vs Buuhan
- My God Toyotaro, what have you done?AvatarReiko wrote:Manga DBS Roshi vs Buu Arc Vegito
TOP SSJG Goku vs U6 Hit
Current Base Goku & Vegeta vs Buuhan
