Monkey-see, monkey-didn't!

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Monkey-see, monkey-didn't!

Post by kenisu3000 » Fri May 13, 2005 10:42 pm

Okay, now I'm utterly confused. The DragonBall DVDs are supposed to be uncut, right? Well, here I am watching the Tournament saga and I have the manga open at the same time... and in the manga, Goku dashes off to the side of the ring, with his back turned to Jackie Chun, and slowly turns around to reveal an insane, drooling dog-face, and attacks his opponent like a dog would. Goku later calls this the "kyoken" ("mad dog/mad fist") technique. During the course of the attack he also starts acting like a monkey.
But for some inscrutable reason, in the anime Goku starts to turn around, and just before his face is shown, it cuts away to his monkey-mimicry in a reeeeally choppy fashion, as if there really WAS a cut there. On top of that, once the attack is done, they also took out the little joke where Jackie asks what the attack was, and Goku says it was the Kyoken.
Uh... just WHERE in the crap did this scene go?? I know these DVDs are supposed to be uncut, so I guess it isn't FUNi at fault, but maybe Toei. Did they animate this scene to begin with, but decide not to put it in since the episode was coming to a close? Or was it all a question of the Kyoken pun? That would be stupid, since they kept in the joke "Mago Gosora" (the kun reading of "Son Goku") from the Budokai announcer, and even put in a dialogue balloon to show the kanji.
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Post by lost in thought » Sat May 14, 2005 2:17 am

kenisu3000 wrote:But for some inscrutable reason, in the anime Goku starts to turn around, and just before his face is shown, it cuts away to his monkey-mimicry in a reeeeally choppy fashion, as if there really WAS a cut there. On top of that, once the attack is done, they also took out the little joke where Jackie asks what the attack was, and Goku says it was the Kyoken.
Uh... just WHERE in the crap did this scene go?? I know these DVDs are supposed to be uncut, so I guess it isn't FUNi at fault, but maybe Toei. Did they animate this scene to begin with, but decide not to put it in since the episode was coming to a close?
Uh... seriously? Mine has that in there, in fact I just watched that episode a week ago, and I had a good laugh. It might be your dvd player, or the dvd itself.

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Post by Xyex » Sat May 14, 2005 3:16 am

Ya, I'm pretty sure I remember seeing that whole scene on CN, and since it airs the cut version... ya. It would have to be the disc, that part must be scratched or something and was scanned over.
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Post by TripleRach » Sat May 14, 2005 3:49 am

No, the Kyouken segment was never animated. The anime uses the monkey fighting as the counter for Jackie's drunkenness. I can't check my own DVD right now to see the choppy editing you've described, but I remember it was the same way on my old Japanese tapes. I wouldn't be surprised if it appears that way because they copied the manga too closely, and the flow was thus killed. (Especially since Saruken wasn't even in the same chapter as Suiken.)

There's a difference between that one and the Mago Gosora pun, though. Mago Gosora and Son Gokuu are audible differences. 狂犬 and 狂拳 are visual differences. Saying "That's not Kyouken, that's Kyouken!" (or however it went) seems harder to convey orally.

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Post by Xyex » Sat May 14, 2005 4:05 am

You sure Rachel? Hmm, well, it has been a while since I've seen that scene... but I thought that was there....
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Post by Jerseymilk » Sat May 14, 2005 4:21 am

I could have sworn it was there too, but it's also been a while since I watched that DVD. Aren't we becoming a bunch of slackers?^^'
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Post by Kodoshin » Sat May 14, 2005 9:29 am

I remember noting some differences in the Goku/Chun fight between the Viz manga and the anime, that was probably what it was.

Just another one of those small anime only changes I guess then, sorta like with how Drum had a much less graphic death in the anime than he did in the manga.

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Re: Monkey-see, monkey-didn't!

Post by sanorin » Wed May 11, 2011 5:26 am

Hi, I know this is an old post, but I was just coming to ask the same thing, and did a search first!

I was watching now for the first time the DVD edition of this episode 26, I had watched before on Spanish TV recording and noticed that scene missing, so I was hoping it had been cut out on Spanish TV for some reason but it would still be on the Japanese DVD, but no luck.

Indeed is more of a visual pun, but it wouldn't be that hard for the animators to put the 狂拳 kanjis in the background or in a balloon when Goku says it, and then do the same with 狂犬 when Jackie corrects him.

And Kodoshin, Drum's death is exactly the same graphic in the anime as it is in the manga, with the eyes popping out, the broken comb and the purple blood.

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Re: Monkey-see, monkey-didn't!

Post by Kingdom Heartless » Wed May 11, 2011 5:50 pm

I always found it odd that there was this scene in the manga that was never put into the anime... especially since they were already putting in bits of filler here and there.
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Re: Monkey-see, monkey-didn't!

Post by SuperForteX » Wed May 11, 2011 8:37 pm

Hadn't the whole Mad Dog thing struck a nerve with Rabies victims, or something like that? I seem to recall that there was some kind of serious incident involving Rabies in Japan around the time the episode was coming out, that had caused a lot of trauma for the public.

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Re: Monkey-see, monkey-didn't!

Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu May 12, 2011 4:59 pm

Hmm. I'd never heard that, but I also just never really thought it was a big deal. I first saw it on fansubs back ten years ago, and, at that point, I'd only read Curtis Hoffmann's summaries of the manga. I noticed it wasn't there and immediately assumed it was because it was just too much of a text gag to work in an animated show. I mean, it wasn't the first time that manga-specific gags had to be cut for the show. Wasn't the fourth-wall reference to Dr. Slump and Shonen Jump by Pilaf and co. cut from the anime as well? And obviously Yamucha didn't break the top of the "panel" in the anime either. There are just some things that work wonderfully in one medium but just can't carry over at all to another.
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