Z warriors power levels vs Nappa

IIMaxII · Post by **IIMaxII** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:12 pm

I'm working on a power level list and I'm trying to figure out where to put everyone, I know there's some power levels stated in the manga for Gohan, Krillin and Piccolo, but they're able to change their power at will, I have the Z warriors here.

I'm having a hard time putting them above a Saibaiman without putting them too close to Nappa...I'm assuming Gohan and Krillins full power at this point is 1,500 because that's what they are when they arrive on Namek...Is Tenshinhan > Kuririn? I know that was the case in DB, but kuririn is throughout the manga shown to be the strongest earthling from what I've read...

Son Gohan - 981 - Stated in manga, I'm assuming the lowest level was Gohan.
Full Power - 1,500
Enraged - 2,200
Masenko - 2,800

Piccolo - 1,220 - Stated in the manga.
Full Power - 1,800

Kuririn - 1,083 - Stated in the manga, this would be Kuririn.
Full Power - 1,500

Saibamen - 1,200

Yamucha - 1,300

Yajirobe - 700

Chaozu - 900
Suicide - 2,000 ...This didn't seem to be all that strong, should it be this high? Do you think this could take out Piccolo? I doubt it.

Tenshinhan - 1,400
Kikoho - 2,500

Initial Nappa - 4,000
Full Power - 7,000 - Yes I know I'm going to strike an argument with someone over this, but there's no way Goku who is over 8,000 would need to use Kaioken when he is x2 as strong as Nappa.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:21 pm

Kaboom wrote:Goku didn't need the Kaio-Ken. He was easily slapping Nappa around without it, and Nappa never laid a hand on him in return.

Goku only needed the Kaio-Ken to catch up to Nappa and save Gohan and Kuririn, and even then only because Nappa had a head start. If Goku's twice as fast as Nappa but also twice as far from Gohan and Kuririn, then they'd both reach them at the same time and that's not good enough. Nappa was about to launch his big mouth blast attack at them too, which meant Goku had even less time to catch up, making the Kaio-Ken necessary.

I think this cover's it quite nicely. Goku was dominating the entire fight. He most definitely did not need the Kaio-ken to defeat Nappa. It's not like Nappa was able to do anything to him anyway, and Nappa was freaking out when Vegeta said a power level of 5,000 was approaching. Why would Nappa be panicking if he was stronger than that?

IIMaxII · Post by **IIMaxII** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:29 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Kaboom wrote:Goku didn't need the Kaio-Ken. He was easily slapping Nappa around without it, and Nappa never laid a hand on him in return.

Goku only needed the Kaio-Ken to catch up to Nappa and save Gohan and Kuririn, and even then only because Nappa had a head start. If Goku's twice as fast as Nappa but also twice as far from Gohan and Kuririn, then they'd both reach them at the same time and that's not good enough. Nappa was about to launch his big mouth blast attack at them too, which meant Goku had even less time to catch up, making the Kaio-Ken necessary.
I think this cover's it quite nicely. Goku was dominating the entire fight. He most definitely did not need the Kaio-ken to defeat Nappa. It's not like Nappa was able to do anything to him anyway, and Nappa was freaking out when Vegeta said a power level of 5,000 was approaching. Why would Nappa be panicking if he was stronger than that?

Because 5,000 is not that far off from 7,000. Only 2,000 difference...Compared to if Nappa was 4,000 and Goku was 8,000 that's twice as much. Might also be a factor that Nappa was suprised that there were Earthlings with power levels of a thousand. He was also suprised that saibaiman were close to Raditz. Nappa is easily impressed.

Here's the quote:
Nappa: "Vegeta...There's something strange here...! There are readings over 1000! More than one of them! But how, in a backwater like this...?"

Vegeta: "Don't worry about it."

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:32 pm

IIMaxII wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Kaboom wrote:Goku didn't need the Kaio-Ken. He was easily slapping Nappa around without it, and Nappa never laid a hand on him in return.

Goku only needed the Kaio-Ken to catch up to Nappa and save Gohan and Kuririn, and even then only because Nappa had a head start. If Goku's twice as fast as Nappa but also twice as far from Gohan and Kuririn, then they'd both reach them at the same time and that's not good enough. Nappa was about to launch his big mouth blast attack at them too, which meant Goku had even less time to catch up, making the Kaio-Ken necessary.
I think this cover's it quite nicely. Goku was dominating the entire fight. He most definitely did not need the Kaio-ken to defeat Nappa. It's not like Nappa was able to do anything to him anyway, and Nappa was freaking out when Vegeta said a power level of 5,000 was approaching. Why would Nappa be panicking if he was stronger than that?
Because 5,000 is not that far off from 7,000. Only 2,000 difference...Compared to if Nappa was 4,000 and Goku was 8,000 that's twice as much. Might also be a factor that Nappa was suprised that there were Earthlings with power levels of a thousand. He was also suprised that saibaiman were close to Raditz. Nappa is easily impressed.

At this part of the series, a 2,000 point difference lets the stronger power stomp the weaker one. There was a 2,000 point difference between Kaioken Goku and Vegeta, remember how that went for Goku? Same with Dodoria and Vegeta.

IIMaxII · Post by **IIMaxII** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:37 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:At this part of the series, a 2,000 point difference lets the stronger power stomp the weaker one. There was a 2,000 point difference between Kaioken Goku and Vegeta, remember how that went for Goku? Same with Dodoria and Vegeta.

Is it possible that gravity can play a part in power level? Speed can make someone considerably stronger. Vegeta wouldn't have got hurt that bad by Goku, it was his speed that caught him off guard so he couldn't defend himself.

IIMaxII · Post by **IIMaxII** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:59 pm

I might have to rethink Kuririn's full power, he destroys 3 saibaiman. Tenshinhan states it will blow Chaozu to pieces, and piccolo says it's tremendous power, but Nappa tanks it. Could his attack be much stronger than Gohan's masenko and Tenshinhan's kikoho?

Draken · Post by **Draken** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:26 pm

IIMaxII wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:At this part of the series, a 2,000 point difference lets the stronger power stomp the weaker one. There was a 2,000 point difference between Kaioken Goku and Vegeta, remember how that went for Goku? Same with Dodoria and Vegeta.
Is it possible that gravity can play a part in power level? Speed can make someone considerably stronger. Vegeta wouldn't have got hurt that bad by Goku, it was his speed that caught him off guard so he couldn't defend himself.

No, it's shown time and time again power and gravity training have no correlation. Goku at 90k can handle 100x gravity while kid Trunks who could go SSJ had trouble. I have no trouble believing Nappa was 4k max against Goku. It's pretty well established, let's not get too confusing with out of universe explanations.

IIMaxII · Post by **IIMaxII** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:43 pm

This is a rather long list, but I feel that it proves that Nappa isn't just 4k.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/16jm6a.jpg He tanks a ki attack that kills 3 Saibaiman, if Nappa were only 4,000 that would have hurt him a bit.
http://oi40.tinypic.com/2gyd2xf.jpg "I never thought it would be so much" Implies he becomes stronger.
http://oi40.tinypic.com/vmrdwy.jpg Look at his aura, his speed...he became stronger.
http://oi44.tinypic.com/jk8vt5.jpg He punches Tenshinhan's arm off...
http://oi39.tinypic.com/ok24pk.jpg "What power!" Indeed it is.
http://oi42.tinypic.com/vzea0h.jpg That's a huge crater
http://oi39.tinypic.com/fqpg8.jpg Chaozu's explosion...tickled...
http://oi39.tinypic.com/k1bcsx.jpg Yes it did not faze him...
http://oi41.tinypic.com/ayqg1.jpg A direct hit from Tenshinhan's kikoho, that's got to have damaged him...?
http://oi42.tinypic.com/ckrnt.jpg No...I guess it only scared him.
http://oi41.tinypic.com/3309wg5.jpg This speaks for itself.
http://oi43.tinypic.com/1jt8p0.jpg Piccolo states they far out class Raditz who was at 1,500 this is true, however Goku and Piccolo were at least able to damage him. Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, and Tenshinhan have surpassed Raditz in my eyes.
http://oi43.tinypic.com/15fjhow.jpg Okay Nappa finally shows signs that he was hurt, maybe he was weakened since Vegeta says he's having trouble, mockingly.
http://oi44.tinypic.com/5v7tpy.jpg Ah yes...if Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin help Goku it might make him a challenge, implying 5k isn't too bad but still suprising.
http://oi42.tinypic.com/20ux5l0.jpg Nappa doesn't seem to worried for someone who is only a bit stronger than that blast.
http://oi41.tinypic.com/mbrhv5.jpg He punched...the masenko...
http://oi42.tinypic.com/ji2hiq.jpg Ah it seems to have hurt his hand, shouldn't have punched it.
http://oi39.tinypic.com/33kb0a0.jpg Okay Vegeta says Goku's power is going up so he isn't 5k anymore.
http://oi39.tinypic.com/30tjon8.jpg now he's over 8,000
http://oi42.tinypic.com/30sjzgo.jpg Goku says don't worry, he won't use the Kaioken yet...implying he needs it.
http://oi44.tinypic.com/actnx1.jpg Nappas anger seems to be his weakness.
http://oi40.tinypic.com/ivhcvp.jpg Here's where things get tricky, Vegeta claims that a weakened Nappa won't lose against a fresh 8k Goku if he calms down.
http://oi43.tinypic.com/ezqreh.jpg "Now you'll see what I can really do!"
http://oi43.tinypic.com/10sbzn8.jpg Okay so he powered up again...
http://oi44.tinypic.com/10p7myr.jpg Goku even says it was better.
http://oi39.tinypic.com/332ov28.jpg Okay so now this could take Goku "forever" to beat a weakened Nappa.
http://oi44.tinypic.com/nt1te.jpg Vegeta says it will take forever as well for a weakened Nappa to win.

Draken · Post by **Draken** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:03 pm

And? It's not hard to tank an attack at 3x the power.
And wait scanslations what?
How does that prove he became stronger? Maybe he just started using more of his power than like the 2k needed to beat these weaklings.
Okay, once again not hard at 3x.
Yea because he's 3x.
Still not hard at 3x + apparently a little over 4x stronger = planet busting.
Chiatzu is weak.
Okay same as above?
Why? Still 3x. Not Tien's Shin Kikoho.
I guess it did.
Yea, 4k can easily beat up 1k's. Def speaks for itself.
Your eyes aren't the author's eyes. Also where does the "far outstrip Raditz" come from?
He was kinda caught by surprise with a direct hit to his backside when not paying attention. The series has shown that happen multiple times.
Because Vegeta already suspects that 5k could be only Goku's starting power.
? At this point in the series 1.2k is quite a large amount. 4k is still about 30% stronger, and we've seen Vegeta kill at that much stronger over at Namek.
Above
Nah only stung.
We know. Okay?
We know. Okay?
No it doesn't. It also implies he could beat up Nappa w/o it and knows Vegeta is stronger through ki sensing. Or just to show off later.
You tend to be a big off-balance when raging mad, yes.
Oh dang so Nappa FP is actually stronger than 8k? And weakened is still stronger than 8k?
Okay.
His version of "power up". He can't control his ki and raise/lower his power.
You tend to regain your balance after going from raging mad to level headed.
He just bounced off his ultimate technique, came out completely unscratched and unfazed, and wait I thought weakened Nappa was over 8k?!
Forever and a couple rebirths probably.

Also no scanslations please.

Undertaker · Post by **Undertaker** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:13 pm

Chiaoutzu=610
Gohan=981
Angry Gohan=2,800
Yamcha=1,480
Krillin=1,770
Tien=1,830
Piccolo=2,500
Nappa=4,000
Nappa Full Power=7,500

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:18 pm

...again, Nappa can't control his power level. There is no "Nappa (full power)", there is just Nappa. And he got completely demolished by Goku, yet a lot of people around here have him being Goku's equal for some reason. If I could change any of the official levels in the Saiyan Saga, I'd probably just move Piccolo down from 3,500 to 2,500. The former just seems wrong because it has him way stronger then enraged Gohan and nearly Nappa's equal.

IIMaxII · Post by **IIMaxII** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:40 pm

How does that prove he became stronger? Maybe he just started using more of his power than like the 2k needed to beat these weaklings.

I thought you said he couldn't control his ki? A bit contradictory. It doesn't make sense that Nappa is a bit less than 50% of Goku but can still take hits. Goku should be able to one shot him if Nappa is actually only 4,000.

Draken · Post by **Draken** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:42 pm

IIMaxII wrote:How does that prove he became stronger? Maybe he just started using more of his power than like the 2k needed to beat these weaklings.

I thought you said he couldn't control his ki? A bit contradictory. It doesn't make sense that Nappa is a bit less than 50% of Goku but can still take hits. Goku should be able to one shot him if Nappa is actually only 4,000.

He can't raise or level his ki levels like the earthlings. But anyone can do what's called "holding back". He stopped holding back and started using more and more strength. Similar to how a real life human can pull his punches. Is he lowering his power? No we can't do that. But he's just simply not using his full power.

IIMaxII · Post by **IIMaxII** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:50 pm

If Nappa is really 4k then why would Goku suggest that it would take forever if he doesn't use the Kaioken?

Draken · Post by **Draken** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:51 pm

IIMaxII wrote:If Nappa is really 4k then why would Goku suggest that it would take forever if he doesn't use the Kaioken?

He's tanky and durable as fuck.

IIMaxII · Post by **IIMaxII** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:54 pm

Draken wrote:
IIMaxII wrote:If Nappa is really 4k then why would Goku suggest that it would take forever if he doesn't use the Kaioken?
He's tanky and durable as fuck.

Because he's not 50% of Goku...if he was Goku could one shot him. Recoom is "tanky and durable as fuck" yet Goku one shots him because Recoom was about 50% of Goku.

Draken · Post by **Draken** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:55 pm

IIMaxII wrote:
Draken wrote:
IIMaxII wrote:If Nappa is really 4k then why would Goku suggest that it would take forever if he doesn't use the Kaioken?
He's tanky and durable as fuck.

Because he's not 50% of Goku...if he was Goku could one shot him. Recoom is "tanky and durable as fuck" yet Goku one shots him because Recoom was about 50% of Goku.

Goku took advantage of Recoome while he exposed his own weakness. Goku never struck at Nappa as hard as he did to take out Recoome.

IIMaxII · Post by **IIMaxII** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:59 pm

Draken wrote:Goku took advantage of Recoome while he exposed his own weakness. Goku never struck at Nappa as hard as he did to take out Recoome.

Goku was angry because Nappa killed his friends, he goes on with the "This is for....". He wasn't toying with him then. When Nappa calms down he is finally able to fight some what close...I'm not saying he's at 8k...I'm saying he's a little closer to 8k than 4k.

Draken · Post by **Draken** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:00 pm

IIMaxII wrote:
Draken wrote:Goku took advantage of Recoome while he exposed his own weakness. Goku never struck at Nappa as hard as he did to take out Recoome.
Goku was angry because Nappa killed his friends, he goes on with the "This is for....". He wasn't toying with him then. When Nappa calms down he is finally able to fight some what close...I'm not saying he's at 8k...I'm saying he's a little closer to 8k than 4k.

Your word doesn't trump the manga and official sources though. If AT wants Nappa to tank while getting ass-whooped he can. You act like power levels are a consistent figure in DBZ.

IIMaxII · Post by **IIMaxII** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:02 pm

Draken wrote:
IIMaxII wrote:
Draken wrote:Goku took advantage of Recoome while he exposed his own weakness. Goku never struck at Nappa as hard as he did to take out Recoome.
Goku was angry because Nappa killed his friends, he goes on with the "This is for....". He wasn't toying with him then. When Nappa calms down he is finally able to fight some what close...I'm not saying he's at 8k...I'm saying he's a little closer to 8k than 4k.
Your word doesn't trump the manga and official sources though. If AT wants Nappa to tank while getting ass-whooped he can. You act like power levels are a consistent figure in DBZ.

My word is based on the actions in the manga. Yours is based off of the Daizenshuu. Manga >>>>> Daizenshuu

Power levels are pretty much consistent at that point, where the slightest edge gives an advantage...like the Namek fights.

Kanzenshuu

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