If the Boys (Gohan,Goten, and Trunks) trained like Goku?

[dbzfan7]

If they trained like Goku and had the same mindset as him. Would Goku even have relevance anymore? The boys constantly show they get much better gains than Goku so if they were tutored on training regiments and had the same drive as Goku, would Goku even be able to keep up?

I personally think he wouldn't be able to. I think that's why the half Saiyans are given a drive problem. If they were just like Goku when it comes to fighting, then Goku wouldn't be relevant.

[Hitiro]

If they trained like Goku and had the same mindset as him. Would Goku even have relevance anymore? The boys constantly show they get much better gains than Goku so if they were tutored on training regiments and had the same drive as Goku, would Goku even be able to keep up?

I personally think he wouldn't be able to. I think that's why the half Saiyans are given a drive problem. If they were just like Goku when it comes to fighting, then Goku wouldn't be relevant.

I agree. Even if Gohan continued to train during the 7 years Goku was dead I think SSJ2 Gohan without a rage boost would have been able to pick Boo apart with his natural ability plus training. Gohan at the start of the Android arc wasn't much to sniff at but after his RoSaT training he was stronger than Goku. His gains are crazy if you think about them. Goku aside, Gohan has probably received the largest gains in that arc. Goku said himself that Gohan was exceptionally more gifted than him. And the same can probably be said for Goten and Trunks possibly. Though, we don't have much to go on them as even Piccolo said that the smallest of gains in the RoSaT would prove to be amazing for their fusion. I tend to believe they could equal their fathers without many problems and possibly surpass them too. Though I think Gohan might be a freak of nature considering all of his hidden potential. Goten and Trunks would have a hard time catching up to Gohan if Gohan worked as hard as Goku.

[TheGmGoken]

Fuck the half saiyans. What about Piccolo! Imagine if he had trained after Cell Arc more seriously rather than casually. Hell imagine if Piccolo trained with Mystic Gohan. But yea. Goku has noted and pretty much EVERY guidebook states Half Saiyans > Pure Saiyans. Goku over 7 years didn't even increase by 2x in the Boo Arc. He just increase at the most 1.5x as SSJ2 Kid Gohan could still fight him most likely. Goku would't even matter to be honest. Gohan is a freak of nature with his hidden power and if he had trained his rage boast would't even matter no more as his training gains would cover that. If you think about GOku training gains aren't even big. All of his BIG gains were even Zenkai(s) or King Kai training. So if Gohan trained like Goku I would honestly say that he might have been OPed. I will say due to Goku's lack of a good increase from the 7 year time skip(Not even a 2x increase and was still impressed with Kid Gohan) Gohan SSJ2 could fight SSJ3 Goku. Not win but still fight. Since SSJ3 is 4x of SSJ2. Gohan would be 3/4 Goku's power. Goten and Trunks would be on Par with Goku and then surpass him but not by much.

[KentalSSJ6]

Goten has the most potential of them all. Due to being conceived at a time where Goku was dozens of not hundreds of times stronger than he was when Gohan was conceived, hes able to go SSJ at half the age Gohan did and Gohan himself says if he doesent keep training Goten will surpass him. If Goten trained at the level his dad did consistently, I seriously believe hed have become the strongest character by the end of Z.

[TheGmGoken]

hes able to go SSJ at half the age Gohan did

Gohan - 9. Goten - 7 but most likely got it around 4 -6. That's not half .

But question. Gohan said if "Gohan" didn't keep training Goten will surpass him. If both trained like Goku would't that make them equal or Gohan slightly stronger. ALSO I think Gohan's hidden power is bigger because of the opposite reason you said. Gohan was born when Goku was weaker. Gohan was over 1,000 and still rising when Goku was still in the 300(s). Goten was most likely around Cell Games Goku so almost the same power of Goku. Even still Goten had a fighting partner and Gohan didn't even train nor fight before. SO that's why I think Gohan has more hidden power.

[Pantalones]

Gohan would've definitely went way past Goku's level if he had trained to the same extent that Goku had. I'm not sure if he'd get Super Saiyan 3 or not (there's theories that you need to train in the afterlife to reach that form... unless you're Gotenks), but considering the kind of gap there was between Gohan and all the other Saiyans at the Cell Games (and how, even 7 years later, Goku and Vegeta's SSj2 levels are still compared to SSj2 Gohan rather than completely surpassing him), he might not even need it if he kept training hard during those 7 years between Cell and Buu and was still that much stronger than the others.

Especially if he didn't lose the ability to temporarily power up through anger (just imagine a SSj2 adult Gohan getting pissed off fighting Fat Buu, drawing out almost all of his dormant power for a second, and busting out some gigantic Masenko or Kamehameha approaching Ultimate Gohan in power...)

I'm not so sure about Goten and Trunks. Their half-Saiyan-ness seems to have given them a "head start" early on and made it almost effortless for them to go Super Saiyan, rather than giving them the kind of massive hidden potential (...but less-impressive starting power and much more difficulty going Super Saiyan) that Gohan had. They also seemingly never had tails, and never get rage boosts like Gohan always did when he was their age or younger (maybe because they just don't have those huge stores of hidden power they can't access consciously yet?)... so it seems like they may be a different kind of Saiyan hybrid than he was.
I figure they could catch up to where Gohan was at the start of the Buu saga without too much trouble if they trained hard, going along with how Gohan suspected that Goten might catch up to him or even surpass him before too long if he kept training... but they'd probably have to figure out how to unlock Super Saiyan 2 before they'd be able to progress very far beyond that point, and even after that they might never catch up with Goku (and they'd definitely never catch up to a hypothetical Gohan-who-kept-training!)

I wonder if future Trunks was any different than kid Trunks, as far as hidden power and such goes. I know he's seen as a Super Saiyan at a very young age in the manga's version of the "Trunks Special," but we never see how he ended up going Super Saiyan there, so it's hard to say if he was more of a Gohan type (with a tail, rage boosts, tons of hidden power) or more of a kid-Trunks/Goten type (huge head-start in power, easy to get Super Saiyan, no tail.)
Dragonball Heroes' "SSj3 Trunks vs. Buu" thing seems like it'd only be possible with a "Gohan-type" future Trunks who kept training hard after the Cell/Androids thing was over, but... that's just Dragonball Heroes, so it doesn't really count for much of anything canon-wise.

[KentalSSJ6]

Havent seen Buu saga since Toonami and I remember Gohan saying he was twice Goten's age when he achieved SSJ1.

[TheGmGoken]

Havent seen Buu saga since Toonami and I remember Gohan saying he was twice Goten's age when he achieved SSJ1.

5,6, and not even 7 is half of 9...and 5 is the only one half of 10. But the manga has Gohan going SSJ at nine Ssoooo not even half

[TheGmGoken]

Potential, but there's no way to know what degree Gohan would've been stronger, if at all.

He would still be stronger. Goku hidden power is shit compares to Gohan.

I take no shame in that, but there's plenty of evidence to show that no matter how many times Gohan got stronger than him, eventually Goku surpassed him. Gohan will never leave his father in the dust. Regardless, Goku is a much more proactive character than Gohan, and that's why he's the better hero.

Okay being a better hero has NOTHING to do with power. Also Goku NEVER surpassed Gohan(Mystic) and he barely surpassed Kid Gohan SSJ2. So he didn't always surpass Gohan. If you're talking about SSG then that's temporary and Goku lost the power of it by using it a second time.

I'll accept that, but Goku never got nearly all the effortless power ups. There's no telling how strong he would've gotten if he got the Kaioshin power up.

It's right there stated that Half Saiyans have more dormant power than Saiyans. That means even with the power up Gohan > Goku. Goku would increase barely. Why you think Goku's hidden power never been talked about.

I haven't seen Battle of Gods, is there a reason Goku gets the powerup instead of Gohan?

Okay in BoG it was stated Gohan > Goku so don't say Goku got it because he was stronger that's a poor ass excuse that is later confirmed to be wrong. Goku got it because he found a way to get SSG and the fact he's the main hero. Why give a new form to a supporting Cast(Gohan was a main hero in Cell Games)? Goku is also the one not to give up and the best fighter(Not power wise) so that's why he got it.

http://web.archive.org/web/201109250406 ... #son_gohan Right there it states what I said

I was joking.

[ABED]

Even if I agree, then there would be no reason for all three of their characters, they'd just be stronger and more educated Gokus. Part of what makes Goku who he is isn't mere raw power, it's his drive and talent for battle. Assuming they had his drive, they don't have his skill for fighting, nor his will.

Goten has the most potential of them all. Due to being conceived at a time where Goku was dozens of not hundreds of times stronger than he was when Gohan was conceived,
I guess the Dragon Ball world doesn't believe in the law of acquired characteristics

Goku is also the one not to give up and the best fighter(Not power wise) so that's why he got it.

I was just asking but it does prove my point that raw power isn't everything. Even if they gave it to Gohan, (I never said Goku was stronger than Mystic Gohan) Goku is the best choice because he's the best fighter.

[TheGmGoken]

Even if I agree, then there would be no reason for all three of their characters, they'd just be stronger and more educated Gokus. Part of what makes Goku who he is isn't mere raw power, it's his drive and talent for battle. Assuming they had his drive, they don't have his skill for fighting, nor his will.

This is not to see how they act nor what would happen if they did. It's about how much stronger they would be than Goku thus leaving in the dust. This have NOTHING to do with Goku's persona and what he is. This is about had Goten and Trunks trained like Goku they would be stronger and Gohan being a fucking freak of nature.

[ABED]

Even if I agree, then there would be no reason for all three of their characters, they'd just be stronger and more educated Gokus. Part of what makes Goku who he is isn't mere raw power, it's his drive and talent for battle. Assuming they had his drive, they don't have his skill for fighting, nor his will.

This is not to see how they act nor what would happen if they did. It's about how much stronger they would be than Goku thus leaving in the dust. This have NOTHING to do with Goku's persona and what he is. This is about had Goten and Trunks trained like Goku they would be stronger and Gohan being a fucking freak of nature.

I'm just pointing it out. I don't think they'd leave him in the dust. They might be stronger than him, but he would look at it as motivation in his own training.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Look how strong the Saiyan Halflings got without training as hard as Goku & Vegeta. Now, imagine them training like them... they would be monsters compared to Goku & Vegeta.

[dbzfan7]

Look how strong the Saiyan Halflings got without training as hard as Goku & Vegeta. Now, imagine them training like them... they would be monsters compared to Goku & Vegeta.

Exactly. If they put the same commitment they would skyrocket ahead. Right now minor commitment can already make them equal to or stronger Goku. Full commitment would make Goku pointless as a fighter.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm just pointing it out. I don't think they'd leave him in the dust. They might be stronger than him, but he would look at it as motivation in his own training.

Pointing it out? But what did that have to do with of his power compared to the boys if they trained? Goku would be more proud that his sons surpassed him. You saw how proud he was when Gohan turned SSJ2. Also are you forgetting that Goku's gains has gotten slower and slower? After 7 years of Otherworld training(Which is miles ahead of regular training) the poor lad didn't even get a 2x increase. If he trains on Earth he'll get an even less gain and according to BoG he goes to King Kai or maybe still go to other for training which will give him LESS than 2x. I would't be shocked if it was barely an increase like 1.1x. With that. Gohan leaves him in the dusk. Yes Goku is so far behind it's not even dust no more. It's dusk. The darkest time in the evening.

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Look how strong the Saiyan Halflings got without training as hard as Goku & Vegeta. Now, imagine them training like them... they would be monsters compared to Goku & Vegeta.

YES. They would be freaks of nature. Now imagine how strong Gotenks would be. GOT DAMN! You see ABED. Without training they was still rivaling their fathers. With training they would leave them in the darkness of dusk.

[KentalSSJ6]

Exactly. I'm willing to bet if Gohan kept his attitude he had when training with Goku in the Time Chamber, hed likely would have went SSJ3 in the world tournament.

I mean come on, how awesome would this be?

Spoiler:

Also, if you wanna see Goten and Trunks hit their full potential, go read Young Jijii's AF doujin, you wont be disappointed.

[TheGmGoken]

Also, if you wanna see Goten and Trunks hit their full potential, go read Young Jijii's AF doujin, you wont be disappointed.

Sad part is...I was.

Exactly. I'm willing to bet if Gohan kept his attitude he had when training with Goku in the Time Chamber, hed likely would have went SSJ3 in the world tournament.

I mean come on, how awesome would this be?

Spoiler:

Gohan: Do you want to see me as a SSJ or do you want me to take to the next level!
Kibito: Next level?
Gohan: *Still angry about VIdel*....Hehe.
Gohan: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Gohan: This is beyond SSJ. Even further than SSJ2. I'm a SSJ3 as I like to call it.

Then Fat Boo is healed faster but still weaker than Goku and Gohan.

[dbzfan7]

Hell I'm pretty sure Gohan was in more Z chapters then Goku was?

[TheGmGoken]

Hell I'm pretty sure Gohan was in more Z chapters then Goku was?

Removing fillers from the anime. His screen time was slightly more in the anime but yea in the manga he had more screen time once he was born.

[dbzfan7]

Hell I'm pretty sure Gohan was in more Z chapters then Goku was?

Removing fillers from the anime. His screen time was slightly more in the anime but yea in the manga he had more screen time once he was born.

Goku was taken out every battle til the end. Goku was late to the Saiyans, to the Ginyu force, to Freeza, to the Cyborgs, dead, and more. I'd say Gohan definitely got more screen time which kinda should have been used to set him up in the Cell arc instead of it being out of nowhere.