Can the Otherworld fighters beat Frieza's supressed forms?

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Can the Otherworld fighters beat Frieza's supressed forms?

Post by Angelus » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:30 am

Olibu And Pikkon are out of the question. We already know that they are powerful. But we would have to ignore that short scuffle between Olibu and Yamcha. lol
Anyways, my question is, how powerful do you think the other fighters below are? What are your estimates?

Take note that since Dragon Ball, Goku always had two "modes" of fighting. "Match mode", which is fighting without intent of seriously harming or killing his opponent. And "All out mode" which is self-explanatory. It's safe to assume that in his matches with these Other World fighters, he was at match mode until Pikkon. Goku can be at 100% even when using "match mode" but that won't be his full power overall, it's just for that mode.

Now, for the aforementioned other Otherworld fighters... here are some of there feats. Click on their names/links to see the videos:



He never competed in the former Otherworld Tournament, which the other fighters below have. As far as the anime is concerned, he was a character introduced after Goku and Paikuhan "lost" their fight, as a new fighter for South Kaiou for the next tournament. On 10:18, South Kai was confident that Papoi could beat pre-25th WMAT Buu Arc base Goku even after South Kai saw how Goku fought in the former Otherworld Tournament. Do you guys have a more accurate estimate for this guy?


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From 9:27 to 10:46 you'll see that Arqua landed some solid hits on base Goku (who isn't at 100%) while all that Goku could do was block and still got hit. However, this was a hand-to-hand match without any Ki blasts. The fight ends a few seconds later when Goku surfaced from the water and blasted a Kamehameha. Before all this happened, Goku actually kicked Arqua flying into the air but Arqua looked unfazed.

How powerful do you think Arqua is in comparison to post-Cell Games base Goku? Take note that although this Goku isn't at a 100%, this is also the same Goku that is now leagues higher than his post-healing tank zenkai base self back in Namek. And how high was his power level back then, hm?


From 20:40 to 21:17, Goku and Maraikoh trade blows that all miss. Yes, Goku missed too. Until at about 21:23, Maraikoh manages to land a solid hit on Goku that sends Goku flying through two small asteroids. At 21:51, we see Maraikoh's speed leap towards the asteroids floating above the tournament grounds. At 22:57, Maraikoh, presumably landed, and is moving so fast around the right that Goku can't see and cab barely sense his energy until 23:04 when Goku kicks Maraikoh. This causes paralyzing pain for Maraikoh. Seconds after, Goku tosses him out of the ring. Take note, this isn't a 100% base Goku but a post-Cell Games one, nonetheless.

How powerful do you think Maraikoh is? Give estimates of his power.




His only feats that we can see is when he was fighting Olibu and we have a general idea of how powerful Olibu is. It's speed feats. At 14:18 He and Olibu try to hit each other but both participants miss. Meaning, Olibu also couldn't hit Chapuchai. On top of his speed, he also has a multi-form technique similar to Tien's, except he could split himself into 7 and stay divided if he wants. That's pretty much the feats of Chapuchai, being able to speed blitz Olibu so much that Olibu couldn't hit him. Thing is, Chapuchai doesn't have the accuracy to hit Olibu either. I'm assuming Olibu wasn't at 100% though. How powerful do you think Chapuchai is? Could he tangle with any of the Cell Games humans?


Hear me out. He's no Pokemon. At 16:13 he actually manages to catch a fleeing Goku and put him in an arm, leg, and body lock at 16:25. Who else managed to do a feat like this? Dore! Dore, managed to put base Goku into a body lock in Movie 05. And arguably, that Goku was early into training for the arrival of the Androids. Yet Caterpy managed to pull off this feat on a post-Cell Games base Goku. Although, yes, Goku was not at 100%. How powerful do you think Caterpy is? Around Dore's level?


Not much except at 4:10 he landed one hit on Maraikoh (who had a semi-decent match against post-Cell Games base Goku that wasn't at 100%) but that hit didn't do significant damage. But you have to remember that Goku couldn't land a hit on Maraikoh until the very last seconds of their match. However, I don't think this Maraikoh was at 100% either. Froug also managed to tank one solid punch from Maraikoh before Froug decided to inflate himself up in an attempt to slide Maraikoh out of the ring. Maraikoh won of course. How powerful do you think Froug is? Ginyu level?


Also, not much. Barely, actually. He fought Pikkon from 29:22 to 29:39. You can hear 2 hits and lots of screaming from Torbie. Presumably, that's Pikkon landing the 2 hits. Well there you go, Torbie was still able to scream after being hit twice by Pikkon. It's not the typical 1-hit KO that leaves the opponent unconscious immediately with white-out blank eyes. Torbie managed to tank at least 2 hits from Pikkon before being KO'd. That's his feat. As sucky as that may sound, those are two very solid hits from Pikkon and Pikkon is pretty powerful. Of course, safe to say, Pikkon was not at 100% and was wearing weighted clothing. So, how powerful is this Cell look-alike in your opinion?


Just speed feats. He managed to speed blitz Torbie (who was powerful enough to survive 2 hits from a less than 100% weighted Pikkon) enough that Torbie couldn't even dodge and resorted to blocking instead. However, Tapkar lost stamina from the speed blitzing and lost the match. That's it, pretty much. Do you think Tapkar can outspeed and beat Burter at least? How powerful do you think this little guy is?


So... that's about it. How powerful do you think these guys are, huh? 8)
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Re: Can the Otherworld fighters beat Freeza's supressed form

Post by Pantalones » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:21 am

I figure they're all well above the Ginyu Force at the very least and probably first-form Freeza too, considering that they're supposed to be some of the strongest fighters who've ever lived and they've had years of dead-guy training at this point. Anyone who would put up any fight at all against Goku, Olibu, or Paikuhan (even if Goku/Olibu/Paikuhan isn't being too serious with them) should be able to beat at least some of Freeza's forms... I'd guess that Torbie, Maraikoh, and Arqua-in-water could probably handle everything up to initial 4th-form Freeza (when he was around 3,000,000ish) without any difficulty but would seriously get their asses handed to them once he powered up to 50%, considering that they weren't even strong enough to handle a non-serious base Goku (a stronger one than what Freeza was up against, but we know thanks to Beerus that even post-Buu Goku wouldn't be enough for Freeza's full power in his base form... so there's no way that post-Cell base Goku holding back even comes close.)

Hard to say exactly how strong these guys are compared to other characters, but I'd guess in terms of who's stronger than who just among this group... maybe something like:

Torbie >= Maraikoh > Arqua-in-water > Froug > Chapuchai >= Caterpy >>> Tapkar

(...with Torbie, Maraikoh, and Arqua-in-water all being pretty close to each other, Froug not being too far behind, Chapuchai and Caterpy being in a clearly lower class than him, and Tapkar being the weakest by a pretty huge margin--he's all speed and pretty much no power... and less-than-zero endurance. If anyone from this group could get beaten by first-form Freeza or even Ginyu, it's Tapkar for sure... though he might still be stronger than someone like Burter, if he can make sure to actually hit the guy before he wears himself out from zipping around at full speed. Chapuchai is harder to place, aside from seeming clearly superior to Tapkar while also being clearly inferior to Olibu. He and Caterpy both seem to fall into the "low on raw strength, but makes up for it with weird abilities" category to me.)

I wonder how powerful Caterpy's ultimate form after cocooning for 1200 years would be.

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Re: Can the Otherworld fighters beat Freeza's supressed form

Post by Angelus » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:33 am

But wasn't that initial power level being 1% of Frieza's final form only a dub line?

Yeah, I wonder what Caterpy might even look like in his ultimate form!

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Re: Can the Otherworld fighters beat Freeza's supressed form

Post by ZazamPow » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:38 am

Caterpy's ultimate form is likely Vegetto level, or at least Buuhan.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I swear, the Gohan fanboys won't be happy unless he just bends over and farts all of Freeza's men into the sun.
fadeddreams5 wrote: Honestly, this would only make me slightly satisfied. To make me happy, he'd also have to grab Freeza by the tail, drag him to the nearest toilet, and give him swirlies until he submits and calls him "daddy."

Gohan deserves it.

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Re: Can the Otherworld fighters beat Freeza's supressed form

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:58 am

ZazamPow wrote:Caterpy's ultimate form is likely Vegetto level, or at least Buuhan.
How did you come to that conclusion? :wtf:

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Re: Can the Otherworld fighters beat Freeza's supressed form

Post by Sandubadear » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:13 pm

ZazamPow wrote:Caterpy's ultimate form is likely Vegetto level, or at least Buuhan.
Caterpy's ultimate transformation is stronger than Whirus (potara fusion of Whis and Beerus)
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Re: Can the Otherworld fighters beat Freeza's supressed form

Post by Angelus » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:43 am

I forgot to put in Papoi but South Kai was confident that he could take on post-Cell Games base Goku.

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Re: Can the Otherworld fighters beat Freeza's supressed form

Post by Angelus » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:26 pm

Strangely enough, he never made it to even the semi-finals of the tournament.

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Re: Can the Otherworld fighters beat Freeza's supressed form

Post by Darkprince410 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:56 pm

Angelus wrote:Strangely enough, he never made it to even the semi-finals of the tournament.
He never competed in the Budoukai. As far as the anime is concerned, he was a character introduced after Goku and Paikuhan "lost" their fight, as a new fighter for South Kaiou for the next Budoukai.

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Re: Can the Otherworld fighters beat Freeza's supressed form

Post by Angelus » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:50 pm

Ah! Right.

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