Berserker1921 wrote:What if Goku and Vegeta fused during the ToP, against Jiren? Would they have won? Keep in mind this scenerio neither goku, Vegeta, or Vegito can do UI or turn ssjblue 2. Can he win?
What if goku some how achieved UI (not mastered) against Beerus, after losing his God form? Would he have done better against the god?
Vegito Blue I could see beating Full Power Jiren with Kaioken x5-x10. Limit Broken Jiren would probably require Kaioken x20 imo.
I think he would have caught Beerus off guard with it and pummeled him until Beerus uses more power, but Goku just isn't strong enough to beat him at this time. However, if Whis's training could allow Goku to channel it at will, Golden Freeza, Hit, and Goku Black are fodder. Merged Zamasu probably wouldn't happen and they find a way to trap Future Zamasu somewhere he can do no harm.
What if they were somehow able to revive Goku Black (as of Episode 64, after he gets the Scythe) and persuade him to participate in the TOP, in place of Tien? However, Goku Black and Vegeta both go in the ROSAT for the 48 hours (?) before the TOP to both get far stronger. How would he do in the TOP? Would his massive power gains and Scythe abilities allow him to contend with Jiren, or would get UIO at some point?