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Where Kaio come from
Toriyama is next asked what the Kaio’s heredity system is like. Toriyama explains that inside the giant ball that is the DB cosmos is a world called Planet Kaishin (World-Core), which is where the Kaio are all born and raised. This planet is like a giant version of the Kaio Planets that North Kaio and the others live on. On it is a gigantic tree (or trees; the lack of Japanese plural clouds up things again), the Kaiju (World-Tree), and the Kaio are all born from the fruit of this tree, as Shin-jin (Core-People). The population of this planet is about 80. The Shin-jin are genderless, and their average life expectancy is said to be 75,000 years. They live leisurely lives, studying various things at a school-like castle. But whenever one of the Kaio on the Kaio Planets passes away, they draw lots among themselves to choose who will take that Kaio’s place and become the new Kaio. The Kaioshin, however, are chosen only from among Shin-jin born from a special golden fruit that is particularly rare. Occasionally there are delinquent Shin-jin with evil hearts, and they go to be with the Makaio (“Demon Realm Kings”; apparently the Demon Realm answer to the Kaio, like the Makaioshin are to the Kaioshin, though Toriyama doesn’t explain the term).
Was Kaishin destroyed? If not then how come we haven't had new Kaioshin/Kaio. Also why wasn't Kaio replaced when dead? Lastly why bother replacing dead Kaio when they can still just live on the planets as a dead beings eternally? Kaio and Elder Kaioshin could still be around despite being dead, so what's the point of switching out when they now kinda have eternal life. Is it to give other people a turn and that's it?
My only answers are
-Kaishin was destroyed at some point, probably by Boo is my guess.
-With Kaishin destroyed North Kaio was never replaced.
-Because so they didn't have to do their jobs for an eternity.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Kaishin couldn't have been destroyed by Buu, otherwise the present generation of Kaiou wouldn't be around. The events regarding Buu's last attack before he was imprisoned and sent to Earth happened millions of years ago, while the average Kaiou only lives to 75,000. That means all of them would had to have been born sometime after the events of Buu's attack on the Kaioushin.
It should be noted that it's said that only the Kaiou are selected from lots, not the Kaioushin, and given the rarity of the fruit, it's possible that none have grown on the Kaiju tree since the death of the other four Kaioushin. As for North Kaiou, perhaps given that he died before his 75,000 years time frame and the fact that he could perform his job just as adequately while dead as he could while alive, then the Shin-jin are just going to let him finish out his "term" so to speak.
There's some question of when these events actually happen in the manga as well as whether gold fruit Shinjin have the same lifespan as the regular ones. Toriyama himself never gives a specific date to the Kaioshin events. It' always just X generation or some comparison like "when man learned to walk upright" (which is where they got the 5 million date for the Daizenshu, but it might have been different in the Dragon World). It's entirely possible anime!Elder Kaioshin is from ~75 million years ago and manga!Elder Kaioshin is from a measly ~1,125,000 years prior to the series.
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
My personal "canon" and BP list. (Coming Soon)
My thinking was that Kaioshin are like Enma: they won't die of old age or they live for countless eons longer than regular Shin-jin. As for Kaio not being replaced, it's possible his tenure is based on a certain amount of years served and not whether or not the person is dead. For example, if the Kaios have to serve for 70,000 years and somehow die at the age of 20,000, then they'd be serving for another 50,000 years while dead.
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Dayspring wrote:My thinking was that Kaioshin are like Enma: they won't die of old age or they live for countless eons longer than regular Shin-jin. As for Kaio not being replaced, it's possible his tenure is based on a certain amount of years served and not whether or not the person is dead. For example, if the Kaios have to serve for 70,000 years and somehow die at the age of 20,000, then they'd be serving for another 50,000 years while dead.
I agree somewhat. If a Kaio dies of natural cases (e.g. old age) then he is going to be replaced because his soul isn't going to be fit for continuing the work. But if they die at a relatively young age then there is no reason why they can't continue to do their duties.