Acceptance of characters' strength

[DBZAOTA482]

Why do some fans have such a hard time accepting certain characters' strength?

One example is Chi-Chi. Even if you take into consideration Goku's confusion he was still holding his ground fairly well and she still pushed him back to the point of him taking into the air of which she still easily caught up with him and fought in mid-air which Nam struggled to do with Goku during the 21st Budokai.. and with intense speed (she even had a stance)... Muten Roshi even outright praised her level of skill... you can just see the shock/disbelief on his face he clearly feels. The fact she breezed through the preliminary rounds of the hardest year for the Tenkaichi Budokai like the other finalists have and spared with Goten on a regular basis even after ten years of retirement (not claiming she's anywhere near his power just a point on her level of skill) should be proof enough she's no joke yet some people write off her solo fight as a joke (despite that even Goku vs. Jackie Chun was may more gag-like).

The kids (Goten and Trunks) are similar case but only their strength is even more objective thus making the downplaying more laughable and any reasoning for when people have them at a low-level basically boils down to "They're kids". Goten pushed Gohan back during their sparring match, Trunks gave Vegeta a bit of trouble avoiding his flurry of punches (even forcing to hit Trunks out of reflex when he grazed his cheek) even though he was caught off-guard, and SSJ Trunks scared #18 s***less from a casual ki blast.

Compare to characters like Kaioshin who is seen as really strong from ONE out-of-context statement or Videl who has the tiniest of "feats" blown out of proportion despite did doing literally nothing to be held at a high regard.

I would mention Krillin but he's mostly downplayed in comparison to Tien.

Is it bias that motives them, indifference... or are am I (and others) an idiot for taking what in regards to their strength literally?

[Lord Beerus]

Many Dragon Ball Z fans are kinda notorious for judging a book by it's cover. If a character is not near or taller than six feet and built like an olympian or the Hulk, then when statements about their immense strength are given, some fans find it hard to believe because "they don't look strong". This is why Toriyama is always so subversive in the designs of characters who were supposed to see as among the strongest in the universe (Final Form Freeza, Majin Boo, Beerus, Whis, Monaka). Also, a lot of Dragon Ball fans never watch the original anime to know that power scaling started to get out of hand the minute Roshi blew up the moon without breaking a sweat with a BP of 180.

[omaro34]

Many Dragon Ball Z fans are kinda notorious for judging a book by it's cover. If a character is not near or taller than six feet and built like an olympian or the Hulk, then when statements about their immense strength are given, some fans find find it hard to believe because "they don't look strong". This is why Toriyama is always so subversive in the designs of characters who were supposed to see as among the strongest in the universe (Final Form Freeza, Majin Boo, Beerus, Whis, Monoka). Also, a lot of Dragon Ball fans never watch the original anime to know that power scaling started to get out of hand the minute Roshi blew up the moon without breaking a sweat with a BP of 180.

Broly is a perfect example of what you're saying when it comes to judging a character's strength. For some reason, back in the day many fans especially teens overpowered Broly to the point of no logic.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Many Dragon Ball Z fans are kinda notorious for judging a book by it's cover. If a character is not near or taller than six feet and built like an olympian or the Hulk, then when statements about their immense strength are given, some fans find it hard to believe because "they don't look strong". This is why Toriyama is always so subversive in the designs of characters who were supposed to see as among the strongest in the universe (Final Form Freeza, Majin Boo, Beerus, Whis, Monaka). Also, a lot of Dragon Ball fans never watch the original anime to know that power scaling started to get out of hand the minute Roshi blew up the moon without breaking a sweat with a BP of 180.

Also Vegeta, when he first appeared there was this huge brute and the little midget, obviously the latter was stronger.

[Lord Beerus]

Many Dragon Ball Z fans are kinda notorious for judging a book by it's cover. If a character is not near or taller than six feet and built like an olympian or the Hulk, then when statements about their immense strength are given, some fans find it hard to believe because "they don't look strong". This is why Toriyama is always so subversive in the designs of characters who were supposed to see as among the strongest in the universe (Final Form Freeza, Majin Boo, Beerus, Whis, Monaka). Also, a lot of Dragon Ball fans never watch the original anime to know that power scaling started to get out of hand the minute Roshi blew up the moon without breaking a sweat with a BP of 180.

Also Vegeta, when he first appeared there was this huge brute and the little midget, obviously the latter was stronger.

The funny thing about Vegeta is that, in this day and age, he can be sometimes shown to be as nearly as tall as Goku. And for what seemed like decades, Vegeta was always show to been nearly a head shorter than Goku. Height in Dragon Ball is fucking weird.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Many Dragon Ball Z fans are kinda notorious for judging a book by it's cover. If a character is not near or taller than six feet and built like an olympian or the Hulk, then when statements about their immense strength are given, some fans find it hard to believe because "they don't look strong". This is why Toriyama is always so subversive in the designs of characters who were supposed to see as among the strongest in the universe (Final Form Freeza, Majin Boo, Beerus, Whis, Monaka). Also, a lot of Dragon Ball fans never watch the original anime to know that power scaling started to get out of hand the minute Roshi blew up the moon without breaking a sweat with a BP of 180.

Also Vegeta, when he first appeared there was this huge brute and the little midget, obviously the latter was stronger.

The funny thing about Vegeta is that, in this day and age, he can be sometimes shown to be as nearly as tall as Goku. And for what seemed like decades, Vegeta was always show to been nearly a head shorter than Goku. Height in Dragon Ball is fucking weird.

A true Saiyan's hair never changes from the day he's born... but some of them had mid-life growth spurts, apparently.

[Pantalones]

The kids and Kaioshin are kind of an odd case here -- you get the people who vastly underrate them (saying Goten/Trunks are weaker than Namek SSj Goku just because they're kids or Kaioshin is weaker than the base Saiyans because he was worried about Pui-Pui and Yakon, for example) but you also get the people who put them on a way higher level than they really should be on ("strong enough that a dodged blast scares #18" need not equal "Cell Games SSj level" or even close -- even #16, who's nowhere near that level, should be strong enough that a basic blast could seriously hurt #18, after all. And I seriously doubt that the East Kaioshin could take on Perfect Cell like some people think... though admittedly that's rarer than people overrating the kids.)

Even Videl, to an extent, gets this "both underrated and overrated" treatment -- you have the people who think she's only barely stronger than her dad (meanwhile, she's able to kick Spopovich -- who's been power-unlocked by Babidi -- so hard it breaks his neck, and he would've died if not for the weird zombie state he and Yamu were in) and on the other hand you have the people who put her up with late-Dragonball/early-Z characters just because she can fly.

Chi-Chi definitely does get underrated a lot, though. And the humans in general are pretty underrated (when "they never ever got stronger than Ginyu, just because" is taken seriously even though we know that everyone trained their butts off for the Androids and at least Tenshinhan/Chiaotzu, if not some of the others, kept up training afterward... you know there's some severe underrating going on. Not saying they ever got into the multiple tens-of-millions or that Filler Yamcha is an accurate representation of his strength or anything, but keeping them below Ginyu and first-form Freeza "just because" is ridiculous.)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

The kids are not overrated in the slightest. Being strong enough to make FPSS Gohan grit his teeth, sweat profusely, and use full effort is more than enough to place the kids at Cell Games levels of power.

[ShadowBardock89]

People keep saying Raditz was the weakest Saiyan, if not the weakest character in DBZ fighting games. This is not true.
At the time of his death, Raditz easily overpowered Goku on a 1v1 fight, something Goku & Piccolo both knew would happen if they challenged Raditz by himself.
Goku was actually the weakest full-blooded Saiyan at the time.
As for fighting games, Raditz can defeat any character from the Dragon Ball Era no problem as well as good ol' Mark (and Videl for that matter).

[Kamiccolo9]

This entire thread just reeks of "I just can't understand why other people can't see things the way I do. Don't they realize that I know better?"

[The Monkey King]

This entire thread just reeks of "I just can't understand why other people can't see things the way I do. Don't they realize that I know better?"

Well sometimes people know better than others. Should we let people stay ignorant because it's their 'opinion'?

[Kamiccolo9]

This entire thread just reeks of "I just can't understand why other people can't see things the way I do. Don't they realize that I know better?"

Well sometimes people know better than others. Should we let people stay ignorant because it's their 'opinion'?

Over a subjective interpretation of a work of fiction? Define "ignorant." In half of these cases, there is enough vague or conflicting "evidence" to screw up any ironclad argument.

So yes. If you can't prove for damn sure that you are right, don't play the victim just because other people "just can't se the truth as clearly as you."

[DBZAOTA482]

This entire thread just reeks of "I just can't understand why other people can't see things the way I do. Don't they realize that I know better?"

There's a fine line between not knowing better and having a different interpretation than being willfully ignorant of the passage at hand simply cuz it doesn't fit your personal narrative.

I'm not picking on people I just want answers.

[Khin]

Most fans downplay others because they aren't as ''badass'' to the one that the character is being compared with.(Kuririn and Tenshinhan,Kaioshin and Piccolo,Goten/Trunks and Piccolo etc..)Heck some people even think Chi-Chi and Yajirobe are weaker than Satan and Videl.

[buutenks]

Most downplay kaioshin because he is an idiot and he hasnt shown much battle prows.

As for the kids,id say most over estimate them,using the gohan/goten example.I take that as simply gohan getting much weaker and being out of practice.I somehow doubt ssj goten and trunks are at cell jr/fp ssj goku lvl from cell saga,that is way to powerful.

[AvatarReiko]

Why do people overate Broly so much? He didn't do anything that Android 13 did not do. I watched movie 7 recently and the beatdown Goku and co received was just as brutal as Broly. For some mysterious reason, Broly gets more credit and is hyped to SSJ3 levels.

[Lord Beerus]

Why do people overate Broly so much? He didn't do anything that Android 13 did not do. I watched movie 7 recently and the beatdown Goku and co received was just as brutal as Broly. For some mysterious reason, Broly gets more credit and is hyped to SSJ3 levels.

It's mainly to do with the power wanking he gets in Dragon Ball video games. Dragon Ball Heroes is the worst offender of this.

[apex_pretador]

Kids are both overrated & underrated IMO. There are people that put them close to freeza level just because they're kids , & so on, while giving the example on how easily #18 beat them, while others put them above piccolo & CG vegeta, just because they gave gohan & vegeta trouble.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

while others put them above piccolo & CG vegeta, just because they gave gohan & vegeta trouble.

Which is valid reasoning. Unless you think that CG Vegeta or Piccolo would give FPSS Gohan any sort of trouble.

[Darkprince410]

Most downplay kaioshin because he is an idiot and he hasnt shown much battle prows.

As for the kids,id say most over estimate them,using the gohan/goten example.I take that as simply gohan getting much weaker and being out of practice.I somehow doubt ssj goten and trunks are at cell jr/fp ssj goku lvl from cell saga,that is way to powerful.

If it were solely the Gohan situation, one could argue that, but you've got Trunks managing to pressure Vegeta heavily and #18 being so scared at how powerful a weakened and intentionally held ki blast that Trunks fired that her only approach to ending the match was to throw a ki-enzan at them hoping they'd disqualify themselves when trying avoid it. All that's pointing to them being extremely powerful.

Why do people overate Broly so much? He didn't do anything that Android 13 did not do. I watched movie 7 recently and the beatdown Goku and co received was just as brutal as Broly. For some mysterious reason, Broly gets more credit and is hyped to SSJ3 levels.

Well, Broly's on a whole different level from #13 just on the standpoint of where they are in relation to the timeline, as the Broly movie would have to be mid/late Cell Saga, while #13 would pretty much be early Cell saga before Cell even arrived.

As for how his strength gets overhyped, you have people misinterpreting the opening of the movie (i.e. thinking he blew up the South Galaxy in one attack vs. years of constant attacks), only being aware of/caring about the dub line of him "growing stronger", thinking that Vegeta, Gohan, and Trunks gave Goku their full Ssj strength (thus it taking the power of 4 Ssj and a Super Namekian to beat him), and so on. It's a lot of misinterpretations to say the least.