Is SSJ Grade 3 slower than regular SSJ?

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Is SSJ Grade 3 slower than regular SSJ?

Post by AvatarReiko » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:38 pm

Grade 3 increases Ki and strength substantially but sacrifices speed due to it's bulky form. In terms of speed, would grade 3 Trunks be slower than his regular SSJ form

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Re: Is SSJ Grade 3 slower than regular SSJ?

Post by Rubens » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:52 pm

I believe it's safe to assume it is. That form is a variation of the regular super saiyan level 1, which Goku deemed to be a better choice to improve. In my headcannon, ssj grade 2 already sacrifices some speed and stamina (but still faster than regular ssj, let's just say it doesn't rise proportionally), so grade 3 takes the idea to its full extent.
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Re: Is SSJ Grade 3 slower than regular SSJ?

Post by Desassina » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:37 am

I have it like that. Otherwise, SSJ wouldn't be any more efficient than Grade III, except for energy loss. Here's a treat of my own:

Power = Strength * Agility / Energy, based on physics' Force formula of mass, change in velocity and time.

SSJ - Power: 50 | Strength: 10 | Agility: 10 | Energy: 2
Grade II - Power: 64 | Strength: 16 | Agility: 16 | Energy: 4
Grade III - Power : 80 | Strength: 80 | Agility: 8 | Energy: 8
Full Power - Power: 100 | Strength: 10 | Agility: 10 | Energy: 1

Mass is strength or sturdiness, change in velocity is agility, and they get divided by time or energy spent. Change in velocity by time spent is acceleration, while in Dragon Ball, it would be a boost or burst.

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Re: Is SSJ Grade 3 slower than regular SSJ?

Post by nickzambuto » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:32 pm

Grade III has more raw ki, so literally speaking, it's impossible for it to be slower. Just pump more ki into your speed, and you can physically move faster.

The only problem was that the muscles were so damn bulky, it was hard to move. This allowed a more skilled fighter to easily take advantage. It's a very precise and minúte weakness, and highlights how skilled Cell was.

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Re: Is SSJ Grade 3 slower than regular SSJ?

Post by TheMikado » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:11 pm

Desassina wrote:I have it like that. Otherwise, SSJ wouldn't be any more efficient than Grade III, except for energy loss. Here's a treat of my own:

Power = Strength * Agility / Energy, based on physics' Force formula of mass, change in velocity and time.

SSJ - Power: 50 | Strength: 10 | Agility: 10 | Energy: 2
Grade II - Power: 64 | Strength: 16 | Agility: 16 | Energy: 4
Grade III - Power : 80 | Strength: 80 | Agility: 8 | Energy: 8
Full Power - Power: 100 | Strength: 10 | Agility: 10 | Energy: 1

Mass is strength or sturdiness, change in velocity is agility, and they get divided by time or energy spent. Change in velocity by time spent is acceleration, while in Dragon Ball, it would be a boost or burst.
Ill give my own.

SSJ - Power: 10 | Strength: 10 | Agility: 10 | Energy: 10
Grade II - Power: 15 | Strength: 15 | Agility: 15 | Energy: 15
Grade III - Power: 20 | Strength: 20 | Agility: 5 | Energy: 20
Full Power - Power: 15 | Strength: 15 | Agility: 15 | Energy: 1
SSJ2 - Power: 30 | Strength: 30 | Agility: 30 | Energy: 10
P. Cell - Power: 15 | Strength: 15 | Agility: 15 | Energy: 10
Angry Cell - Power: 20 | Strength: 20 | Agility: 10 | Energy: 15
SP Cell - Power: 25 | Strength: 25 | Agility: 25 | Energy: 10
inj Gohan - Power: 15 | Strength: 15 | Agility: 15 | Energy: 10
Gohan Km - Power: 30 | Strength: 15 | Agility: 15 | Energy: 30

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Re: Is SSJ Grade 3 slower than regular SSJ?

Post by TheMikado » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:13 pm

nickzambuto wrote:Grade III has more raw ki, so literally speaking, it's impossible for it to be slower. Just pump more ki into your speed, and you can physically move faster.

The only problem was that the muscles were so damn bulky, it was hard to move. This allowed a more skilled fighter to easily take advantage. It's a very precise and minúte weakness, and highlights how skilled Cell was.
The muscle mass actually impeded movement moreso than Grade 2 generating a negative effect.

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Re: Is SSJ Grade 3 slower than regular SSJ?

Post by nickzambuto » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:59 pm

TheMikado wrote:
nickzambuto wrote:Grade III has more raw ki, so literally speaking, it's impossible for it to be slower. Just pump more ki into your speed, and you can physically move faster.

The only problem was that the muscles were so damn bulky, it was hard to move. This allowed a more skilled fighter to easily take advantage. It's a very precise and minúte weakness, and highlights how skilled Cell was.
The muscle mass actually impeded movement moreso than Grade 2 generating a negative effect.
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Re: Is SSJ Grade 3 slower than regular SSJ?

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:36 pm

Raw power doesn't necessarily mean you can't be slower. Ginyu is comfortably above Goku in raw power and is still noticeably slower. Ginyu Goku was laughably weaker than his normal body (23k to 120k) and he still said Goku's body was much faster.
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