shadowfox87 wrote:Thank you for replying and reading my theory.
No, I cannot believe that Goku got weaker in Yardrat. The purpose of Yardrat was for him to recover and learn the Instant Transmission. He would've gotten a small zenkai after recovering and Goku is not the type of guy to do nothing for 2 years. SSJ Future Trunks was stronger than SSJ Goku on Namek as he took down Freeza and Cold easily. Goku used his super powered finger to parry all of Trunks' sword attacks. This shows that Goku has gotten stronger. Goku even stated that he could've used instant transmission to beat Freeza and Cold, but Trunks beat him to it.
Toriyama recently revealed the requirements and process to turn into an SSJ. It's not pure heart and pure rage always. Pure heart helps increase S-cells. A trigger is needed which is rage most of the time. It doesn't have to be rage, it can just be will power alone. They are not learning to be artificially angry to become SSJ. After they unlock the SSJ the first time, they learn to tap into it at will subsequently through will. FPSSJ demonstrated that a person can be completely relaxed and maintain SSJ for long periods of time without any anger.
I do like your idea of saying that FPSSJ is just an improvement of Grade 1. However, I do not believe in Grade 0. Grade 2 did have physical characteristic changes as Vegeta and Trunks both got more bulky. However, now in Super, we have never seen ASSJ and they all look the same physically when they turn in SSJ. Hence, it's possible that FPSSJ is an improvement of Grade 1 like you said with better stamina and ki control and a 50x multiplier, but this also means that Grade 1 is also a 50x multiplier. As for USSJ, even with the power increase and speed decrease, I do not believe that the power increase is greater than SSJ2. We know this because Cell commented when Gohan was in transition to SSJ2. He said "You're making the same mistake Trunks did boy". Then later, Gohan continues to power up and Cell is surprised and shocked, implying he's going past that point. So I would give ASSJ=1.3x, USSJ=1.8x, and SSJ2=2x based on this.
I’m not saying Goku got weaker on Yardrat. I’m saying that he multitasked on Yardrat. We know he both learned Instant Transmission and how to consciously use SSJ before he came back to Earth. So if he can do those two things, he can do a third as well, namely, get stronger in base.
I.e., if he goes from 3 million Base with a x50 SSJ form to, say, 8 million Base with a x30 SSJ form, then he has certainly gotten stronger in all forms. Strong enough to, as you say, IT to Earth and defeat Frieza and his father had Trunks not done so already and match Trunks with a finger.
I don’t think the relaxed nature of FPSSJ is contradictory to my explanation of it being “second nature subconsciously achieved artificial anger” even with the new material. Just because will is introduced to the process doesn’t make anger go away. Indeed, even after the whole “tingly back” thing came out with Caulifla, we still have Goku dropping out of SSB to create the Spirit Bomb against Jiren. Why? Because SSJ, whether achieved by the original method of rage or by the practiced method of will, is tainted by hate, and apparently the Spirit Bomb can’t be made by a person with such a mindset.
But we can even disregard that. The crux of my argument, after all, isn’t that “they have to be angry to use SSJ, consciously make themselves angry to use SSJ at will, and make that conscious-anger-maintenance second nature to use SSJ at will while keeping its full power”. My argument is “they have to [do something] to use SSJ, consciously [do the something] to use SSJ at will, and make that [something-maintenance] second nature to use SSJ at will while keeping its full power”. In Goku and Gohan’s case, the [something] is “be angry”. In Caulifla’s case, the [something] is “focus her energy in her back”. But in both cases, it’s a distraction that has to be mitigated somehow.
I use “Grade 0” to explain how Grade 2 is apparently a solid boost in all aspects over Grade 1, yet is disregarded for Grade 4. If G1 < G2 < G4 is true, then G1 cannot be the same boost as G4. “x50 < x50” is not a true statement. Yet, the background material tells us that G4 is x50 and that Goku went from 3 million Base on Namek to 150 million SSJ (i.e., is also x50). The only way to resolve that, I think, is to say that what Goku used on Namek was not G1.
As for G3, remember that its drawback was the physical bulk of the muscles themselves. So if you see two people going to x100, the first one with bulky muscles that make him too slow (Trunks’s mistake) and the second staying slim and trim, you would have the same reaction that Cell did, first believing that Gohan was making the same mistake and then seeing that, Oh boy, this x100 isn’t being accompanied by any hindering body mass. Remember that Cell freely admitted that Trunks’s power did exceed his own. He wasn’t worried then because that impressive power was in an imperfect delivery mechanism (a bulky body). So he likewise wouldn’t worry about Gohan’s power exceeding his until it became apparent that Gohan was powering up the right way (sans bulky muscles).
To be clear, I’m not married to G3 being x100 specifically. It could be only x80 or even above x100. I don’t think Cell’s comments should be read in terms of “how much boost is Gohan getting relative to what Trunks got”, but merely in absolute terms. “Is Gohan getting a boost (nevermind how much)?” “Does this boost put him above Cell’s power like Trunks’s did (nevermind how much)?” “Does this boost avoid Trunks’s mistake?”
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