Android 17 has one of the most tragic storylines in Dragonball
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Android 17 has one of the most tragic storylines in Dragonball
He starts out as a delinquent. Not quite 'evil' but clearly on the wrong path. He gets awakened by Gero and get's absorbed by Cell a few days later which must feel horrible. Later on he's revived and lives a happy life as a forest ranger and even has a family. He wins the TOP, saving the universe only for him to later on turn on his former friends, kill Kuririn, fuse with the 17 from hell, become Super 17 and die. The only solace we get is that he might have allowed 18 to finish him of.
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Re: Android 17 has one of the most tragic storylines in Dragonball
Why are you assuming the events of GT occur in the same continuity as Super?Jord wrote:He starts out as a delinquent. Not quite 'evil' but clearly on the wrong path. He gets awakened by Gero and get's absorbed by Cell a few days later which must feel horrible. Later on he's revived and lives a happy life as a forest ranger and even has a family. He wins the TOP, saving the universe only for him to later on turn on his former friends, kill Kuririn, fuse with the 17 from hell, become Super 17 and die. The only solace we get is that he might have allowed 18 to finish him of.
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Re: Android 17 has one of the most tragic storylines in Dragonball
Both are still part of story and even though GT and Super taking place in the same continuity makes no sense, nothing ever stated they are separate.Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Why are you assuming the events of GT occur in the same continuity as Super?
Official timeline includes both Super and GT with no mention of GT being alternative route.
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Re: Android 17 has one of the most tragic storylines in Dragonball
But the plots are contradictory and mutually exclusive. And whenever any kind of media uses both of them (like Xenoverse and Heroes) they always go the alternate timeline route. It's obvious that the very 17 from GT and the one from Super are different characters.sunsetshimmer wrote:Both are still part of story and even though GT and Super taking place in the same continuity makes no sense, nothing ever stated they are separate.Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Why are you assuming the events of GT occur in the same continuity as Super?
Official timeline includes both Super and GT with no mention of GT being alternative route.
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Re: Android 17 has one of the most tragic storylines in Dragonball
Many characters have tragic storylines in Dragon Ball. A lot, actually. I'd say that the inhabitants of the Future Trunks' timeline have the most tragic storyline in all of Dragon Ball. Zamasu, Bulma, Gohan, Yajirobe, etc. Their souls were all erased from existence. They are nothing now, and no one will remember them or their deeds, so it's as if they never even existed in the first place, which is a chilling thought, don't you think? No one, not even a murderer like Zamasu, deserves such a terrifying fate in my opinion.
Besides, wasn't Android 17 wished back to life when Goku restored the lives of those who did not deserve to die at the hands of Super 17 and Omega Shenron? Since he technically did nothing wrong as he was being mind-controlled.
Besides, wasn't Android 17 wished back to life when Goku restored the lives of those who did not deserve to die at the hands of Super 17 and Omega Shenron? Since he technically did nothing wrong as he was being mind-controlled.
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You're right, but it wasn't directly mentioned in series which is why some people are confused.SupremeKai25 wrote: Besides, wasn't Android 17 wished back to life when Goku restored the lives of those who did not deserve to die at the hands of Super 17 and Omega Shenron? Since he technically did nothing wrong as he was being mind-controlled.
GT Perfect Files stated that #17 was indeed brought back to life.
Maybe if it was actually said in series people would stop saying that there is contradiction between Super and GT because "#17 is good in Super".
I mean there are many contradictions between series, but #17 being good is not one of them. He was already good in Buu saga, both anime and manga.
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Re: Android 17 has one of the most tragic storylines in Dragonball
my thoughts exactly....Polyphase Avatron wrote:Why are you assuming the events of GT occur in the same continuity as Super?Jord wrote:He starts out as a delinquent. Not quite 'evil' but clearly on the wrong path. He gets awakened by Gero and get's absorbed by Cell a few days later which must feel horrible. Later on he's revived and lives a happy life as a forest ranger and even has a family. He wins the TOP, saving the universe only for him to later on turn on his former friends, kill Kuririn, fuse with the 17 from hell, become Super 17 and die. The only solace we get is that he might have allowed 18 to finish him of.
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Re: Android 17 has one of the most tragic storylines in Dragonball
The matter of 17 and 18 exiting stasis as bloodthirsty murderers is never really accounted for in a satisfactory way to my knowledge (as nothing actually changes from pre-Cell to post-Cell regarding their minds, bodies, "programming" if you will). It's implied that they're somehow conditioned or brainwashed into killing Goku, but ultimately they betray Gero and act entirely of their own accord for as long as we're privy to their story. I can't, therefore, come to terms with regarding 17's story as "tragic" given it's pretty plaintive that he was something of a psychopath, or at the very least extremely disturbed - otherwise, his motivations and demeanor seem to change at the plot's convenience.
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